and forcing consumers to choose between countless direct to consumer offerings while net blix puts in billion. >> nobody is paying for the shows -- >> they're not a company that is rushed into anything >> but maybe you got to rush sometimes? >> oh, david, carl, david wants one of these like, sun, where do they go, mobile, sun valley? i think it's worth pointing out. >> i'm not going to play sun valley >> carl, we can sit here and debate that they have to go buy one of these companies you know what, they're not going to >> they pass on everything. >> but what they think is service revenue stream, it is as big as a fortune 50 company, and going to develop it over time, what we're not going to introduce anything that we think is not perfect and so therefore, i mean you can say that apple stock should go down, but apple stock's not been that great. >> it doesn't move on this this is nothing. >> that's my point. >> but it is nothing and should it be something carl >> no idea >> thank you. >> maybewhen david was critica of apple's first original programming properties a long time skeptic on