modern political routine in speech and that's just what author historian and founding member of blondie gary locke men discovers in his new book dark star rising magic and power in the age of trump well no one sacrificing rabbits or drawing pentagrams in the white house basement well hopefully no one as our own john stone discovers just there on that rabbit hole goes as he sat down with the recent inductee and of us rock and hall of fame to discuss this new book. gary thank you so much for joining me today i want to talk about your new book the dark star rising and it's very difficult to surmise i think for the general population but it just in your own words how would you describe the book and what its intention is. well the title is dark star rising magic and power in the age of trump. centrally it's about what seems to be a rise of a cult politics certain sorts of techniques magic positive thinking mental science things of that sort involved in trump's campaign. his election his victory. and as i looked into it it's also something that reaches out over to russia as well people in sort of milieu

here's the second half of song stands interview with author historian and founding member of blondie gary locke meant. i mean the whole point of politics is supposed to be. effect or you know effects driven as opposed to what we've seen a lot of times you become accustomed to a sort of stagnation within the political system nothing changes sometimes it takes the chaos to actually effect the change even whether it's positive or negative but if trump is as you say an archetype of chaos in a sense what is in he appeared in my eyes as you talked about this time period of fake news right and sort of alternative facts and the blurring of realities what does that mean about the age that we're entering or that we are in. well it seems to me and i say in the book that we're in a time where the partitions between reality and its representation between inner and outer between truth and falsehood all of these things have become very very very thin and permeable and porous and one of the things i say tongue in cheek in the book is i wonder if we can consider trump a kind of topa. comes from tibetan buddhism