therapist to recognize that, especially in the ten or 15-minute window that an officer at the door blooimpbin this case, what they have with this young man in santa barbara. it's hard to imagine the degree of training you could give police and deputies that would enable them to really see this with any great consistency. >> and we should also point out that cases like these are the ones that grab national 45ed lines but the reality is a small percentage of violent acts are committed by the mentally ill. only 4% of the violent acts in this country. so when you have this whole stigma issue, do we want to stigmatize the mentally ill? i want to get back to the civil liberties issues with you, frank. what are the civil liberty issues concerns here? and how do you strike that balance between public safety and individual liberties? >> okay. well, it turns out to be a more peculiar problem in the united states. and the reason for that is that this firearms ownership is part of an ordinary citizen'sive skril liberties here. with r5egard to handguns, the issue isn't that in the united kingdom. it isn