that's just true with all bls data. and, in fact, my big be goal was that we at least make sure that when people use the data, they know when they're using it wrong even if they go ahead and use it wrong to begin with. so that's sort of not, that's sort of an impossible thing for bls to sort of control. >> ms. roth, how do you feel about that? >> first of all, i'm an economist, so i don't feel. [laughter] but looking at the -- >> well, let me put it this way, as an american taxpayer -- because that's what we all are. regardless of whether you're sitting up here or down there, we're responsible to pay all these bills as hard working american taxpayers. i feel at times that we are so separated from reality in this town, i need to know, okay, you use whatever term you want to use, but what is the result of this? do we have any positive answers? >> no. i think the whole concept doesn't make sense. for example, in the transportation area, buses and trains are green jobs. these are not green jobs, but sometimes it takes more

it is an important part of bls. bls is tremendously available directly from the public.you can call us, et cetera. i thought it was really important that nobody stands between bls and the public. being able to describe this and how people understand this. >> i'm going to close with one question. if this rule, as it was originally requested, if it were to take effect, in which fewer people are put into a room with only a typewriter or pc with word on it, and no ability to bring in anything more than they happen to have in their head, wouldn't the quality of your reporting from your two major news services go down, and wouldn't the different -- differentiation of the material, when it starts with the same with what you could scratch up on a typewriter? >> mr. chairman, that would be very detrimental to the quality, accuracy and context of what is now published at 8:30. for one reason, we would not be able to bring our software, which helps us with historical context, it helps us formulate table data. everything from gender to industries. >> i would just say that it is not

i believe bls should be allowed to freely use social media and any other new method without having to compromise its position free from filtering, free of bias in its presentation and free from actual or perceived parts in intervention. that's my first recommendation. second with respect to press lockups. i have a number of things i mentioned that are common sense and long overdue having a lockup agreement, having adequate control of the lockup room. a number of those have not been in place, they need to be in place right away. one of the things i have a problem with is tv journalists are allowed to break the lockup and leave the room and go outside before the data is released to set up for cameras. i think that's a security concern. so i think that ought to end right away. most importantly, though, i think that the bureau of labor statistics should be given full oversight authority for conducting all of its press lockups, developing and maintaining policy and procedures, and have the authority to establish and implement credentialing and confidentiality protocols. let me say to some

bls should be -- i think the bls should be responsible for accurately reporting about jobs. mr. moss, you are one of the company's that invested heavily in proprietary lines, aren't you? >> yes. >> you did so for two reasons. one was clearly to ensure that your story did not fail to go out, and i guess the second one is to make sure you got it out at least as fast as anyone else, if not a few seconds faster. is that right? >> we're not interested in getting it out faster than anyone else. >> but you at least want to tie the fastest? mr. dougherty is shaking his head yes. i assume he wanted to. >> we have an interest in transferring the information as instantaneously as the lock up rules will allow. >> you have an interest in not being beat to the new stand? >>ms. dalglish, you represent an umbrella, and dr. hall said most of its essex go out on a news wire. everybody gets them at the same time. the most important are subject to this lockup historically until today. let me ask you one question. if in fact the bureau of labor statistics started pumping this all out to their intern

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so who's deciding, mark, the bls, the labor of statistics board, who makes that decision?ink the bls does, and they've just taken anything that could be remotely related to green energy and thrown it in there. and what they've come up with a statistic that is absolutely meaningless in terms of quantifying how we're doing and how obama's investments are doing. but again, if you look at that green energy program that they created, they spent $39 billion investing in companies like solyndra. obama promised five million jobs, it's created 3,5435 jobs, that is $1 is million taxpayer -- clash 13 million -- $11 million taxpayer jobs. martha: a job is a job, isn't it? i mean, can't we just talk like grown-ups? isn't a job just a job? does it have to be a green job? >> i think the administration, i think the white house wishes they controlled bls because last week they showed that the unemployment rate was actually increasing. so this is an independent agency. they make these decisions outside the control of the white house. [laughter] and so if there are problems in the way these