, blair and blunkett were really tough on this.ly tough on this. yes, we're really tough on this and that. labour government were deporting illegals in very, very big numbers and yet don't appear to have the power to do it now. and i'm going to put it to you that it's the creeping power of the european court of human rights in strasbourg that has caused this problem. >> i personally, i, i don't think it's the problem that some people make out . and i was people make out. and i was involved as a home office minister in introducing that legislation, and we introduced it for very good reasons. it was repatriating european law into engush repatriating european law into english law so that people could access it more easily. nowin has a large country house in taunton, and he was approached by the home office. and they said, we'd like you to lend us your house for seven years, and we'll give you £1 million if you'll do that , and we're going you'll do that, and we're going to put illegal migrants into it. and can you imagine if you're so

, blair and blunkett were really tough on this. tough on this. yes, we're really tough on this and that. labour government were deporting illegals in very, very big numbers and yet don't appear to have the power to do it now. and i'm going to put it to you that it's the creeping power of the european court of human rights in strasbourg that has caused this problem. >> i personally, i, i don't think it's the problem that some people make out . and i was people make out. and i was involved as a home office minister in introducing that legislation, and we introduced it for very good reasons. it was repatriating european law into engush repatriating european law into english law so that people could access it more easily. now , with access it more easily. now, with the passage of time, you need to review everything. but i think there's possibility that, for example, and i'm not advocating this, but i think there needs to be the potential for a derogation, for example, on certain aspects of it. but there has to be negotiated. you can't

. >> nigel david blunkett, previous labour regimes , they previous labour regimes, they had somethingooper develop the same thirst, or is it just very, very different times now? we're just destined to have this as a part of our culture now. no. >> if you've got people in in jail for crimes, then they will be deported. i mean that the only question there is was 11,000 of them. yeah. the only question there is that the countries that are going to be deported to we have to have an agreement to with go and do that. so the people who have goneis that. so the people who have gone is because of that agreement. and when it comes to the, the, the numbers you're talking about, we won't know the numbers of people who are here unless we have a system like they do in the us , where you they do in the us, where you monitor people leaving the country as well as arriving. >> trevor, final word to you? >> trevor, final word to you? >> well, i think that we are unfortunately not able to blame the labour government for this because this is the legacy of 14 years of tory conservative rule, and they have

well, the former home secretary, lord blunkett, seems to think so and says if we don't, we might liveto regret it . to regret it. >> for many of us, a fine day today. but brewing out in the atlantic, we have storm ashley. that's going to bring a wet and windy spell for all tomorrow. and for some the winds could cause some problems. join me later for a full forecast. >> it'sjust later for a full forecast. >> it's just gone. 6:00. >> it's just gone. 6:00. >> i'm stephen dixon and i'm anne diamond and this is gb news breakfast. >> good morning to you. and we have mark foster with the sport today. good morning. good morning. welcome along. thanks for having me to this slightly chaotic sort of setup that we have in the morning. >> yeah, it's a bit early, isn't it? have you noticed? >> yeah, i'm used to morning swimming, but this is a little bit. yeah. >> yes i suppose. yeah. actually being, being a swimmer, you get up at stupid hours don't you, to get the pool to yourself. >> yeah, but that's more like using the body. whereas this is a bit more about using the mind. well, only slightly min