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the bma says there is no reason for — flavours.. the bma says there is no reason for boots to be _ flavours. the bma says there is no reason for boots to be sold - flavours. the bma says there is no reason for boots to be sold in - reason for boots to be sold in colourful displays and it wants them in plain packaging behind shop counters. the vaping industry doesn't want that but agree something needs to be done. when --eole something needs to be done. when people switch _ something needs to be done. when people switch to — something needs to be done. when people switch to vaping _ something needs to be done. barren people switch to vaping they want something needs to be done. its“i;ez“i people switch to vaping they want to disassociate themselves from the taste of tobacco so why do we want anything to be reminding them that they were a smoker every time they tried faith? we have to make sure young people conquer these products, and that's where we licensing would be a better strategy. the and that's where we licensing would be a b

the bma says 25 would be a safe amount.nother measure is looking at how they refer a patient on to specialists. essentially normally there are certain guidelines they have to follow, but that will ensure the most urgent cases are seen first, but now they are saying that they could just refer people in the way they see fit. the others are generally quite techie, switching off certain software is looking at agreements. all of this is about funding, the bma says they didn't want to do this but i worry that their services would collapse completely if they didn't. they say that general practice should be a front door of the nhs and not the doormat. the funding, they say they are being asked to do more with less, and that over the last five years, there are 6 million more outpatient clinic in england, but equally at the same time, they say the funding they are given has eroded by hundreds of millions of pounds. {lila given has eroded by hundreds of millions of pounds.— given has eroded by hundreds of millions of pounds. 0k, thank

that's an accurate comment. >> this is the bma. the bma is a union.what is the only power that unions have to strike? that's they're constantly thinking about striking. and so they're saying listen, we did a good job 22%. we wish we could have gotten you 35, but we're going to do it again. yeah. and that's the way they save their own butts. >> and the institute for economic affairs has warned that this is proof that britain is set for a sustained period of industrial unrest under the labour government. i mean, this is surely the, you know, a terrible start for a right wing think tank. that's basically it's an accurate right wing think tank. >> okay. well, they're coming forward to saying that. but i don't think that that's actually going to be the case. so these strikes as they've said here, they can't actually strike and they can't actually strike and they can't actually strike and they can't for strike at least a year or so until. >> so they can't strike or they can't strike for a year. >> well, they're saying that they basically they're not in a po

why, why the bma mystified.ncil took a contrary view of course, there will be divided views within the bma, and i think resigning is never a solution. what you have to do is complain bitterly and make effort to change the bma council policy , and i hope that's what policy, and i hope that's what they'll end up doing, because i think the policy is misguided. >> yes, a consultant radiologist and a member of the council of the bma, jacqui davis, she's been talking to the media about this, and she seems to think that they have absolutely no evidence for their opposition to this review. the cass review is not a matter for a trade union. it's not our business as a union to be doing a critique of the cass review. it's a waste of time and resources, this is just clearly an ideological pursuit, really, from a from a few people. >> i would have thought so. jacqui davis, and i have not always agreed, but i certainly agree with every word she said on this. i'm i just don't understand why politics intrudes into medicine in t

so the bma is tearing itself apart. rejected the cass review, which was a review that said, you know, maybe we shouldn't, give drugs and puberty blockers and hormones to children and then you know, cut their bits off. maybe, you know, there are some unforeseen consequences that we need to look into before we do that, which, you know, a drunk guy in wetherspoons could have told you instead of getting a review to do it. but, you know, it's just common sense. but now you know, the bma has come out and rejected that. but it turns out that they had this sort of almost a secret vote that passed as official bma policy. but they've got 200,000 members that weren't involved in that vote. so it was just a small body of members who did this and then passed it off. and obviously, a lot of the medical establishment don't think that we should be drugging and maiming children. >> yeah. did you spot the man dolphin? you didn't get him. he's in there. he's halfway down. >> who's who's the dolphin? >> who's who's the dolphin? >> there's

ministers have urged the bma to reconsidertheiraction.r their action. i can totally understand _ reconsider their action. i can totally understand why - reconsider their action. i can totally understand why gpsl reconsidertheiraction. i can totally understand why gps would want to _ totally understand why gps would want to publish the previous conservative government but this action, _ conservative government but this action, if— conservative government but this action, if it — conservative government but this action, if it goes ahead, will only punish _ action, if it goes ahead, will only punish patients. the conservatives already— punish patients. the conservatives already got their kicking at the general— already got their kicking at the general election and we now have a labour_ general election and we now have a labour government that's really committed to working in partnership with gps _ committed to working in partnership with gps. the committed to working in partnership with gps. , ., , _ committed to working in partnership withg

the chair of the bma's _ started to be a problem.the industry is busy targeting children with colours, flavouring, branding. do you share the assessment and assessment that all of that should be banned? broadly yes. clearly the _ should be banned? broadly yes. clearly the industry _ should be banned? broadly yes. clearly the industry is _ should be banned? broadly yes. clearly the industry is trying - clearly the industry is trying to attract new users and much of the packaging and marketing, never mind the illegal sales, is clearly encouraging young people to try this and get into the habit of vaping. we know what worked to get young people not to smoke, to bring levels down and that was issues around packaging, marketing. find down and that was issues around packaging, marketing.— packaging, marketing. and all of this should _ packaging, marketing. and all of this should be _ packaging, marketing. and all of this should be behind - packaging, marketing. and all of this should be behind the i of this should be behind the counter, tha

the bma says 25 would be a safe amount.to follow, and that will ensure the most urgent cases are seen first, but now they are saying that they could just refer people in the way they see fit. the others are generally quite techie — switching off certain software and looking at data agreements. all of this is about funding, the bma says they didn't want to do this but they worry that their services would collapse completely if they didn't. they say that general practice should be a front door of the nhs and not the doormat. the funding, they say they are being asked to do more with less, and that, over the last five years, there are 6 million more patients in england, but equally at the same time, they say the funding they are given has eroded by hundreds of millions of pounds. that was catherine burns there. three more medals for team gb's tally. the women's for, they took silver after being narrowly beaten by the netherlands. it is silver after being narrowly beaten by the netherlands.— by the netherlands. it is time to no

go on. >> he's a whig, >> he's a whig, >> mine is the bma, the bma. >> mine is the bma, the bma. >> goodthat's right . >> that's right. >> that's right. >> exactly that the bma for just being bloody minded activists. >> all right. go on jonathan. >> all right. go on jonathan. >> mine is president macron someone that to the left and right can unite to hate . yeah. right can unite to hate. yeah. because he has he has basically begun some kind of coup in france . and i think we should be france. and i think we should be talking about it more. basically they had french parliamentary elections a couple of months ago, and he's basically disregarded the results. and that's and that's outrageous. >> no, it is , it is. i've gone >> no, it is, it is. i've gone for the bma now. i do feel as though i should have gone for macron, actually. but anyway, there we go. could not be winning. both. yes thank you very much everybody. another thoroughly enjoyable show. thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's watched and listened. it's headliners next to t

the bma never talks about that. pressures of immigration that that puts on the nhs. and i hear they are saying, well, you know, the system isn't working, system is crumbling. so we're going to work to rule effectively and make it even worse. >> it's a poor contract. >> ridiculous. >> ridiculous. >> gp should not be allowed to strike. we had a lot of conversation in this country about who's a key worker, etc. i'm pretty sure gp's put their own self quite high up that list. yeah, they should not. >> do you think wes streeting wes streeting got the cojones to? >> i do want that wes streeting i just want to emphasise is that right? >> okay. >> okay. >> what do you what do you send him? >> well, spare me the details. yeah. no, no. all very, all very pg rated. i can assure you. good, the i think the issue that wes will get really frustrated aboutis wes will get really frustrated about is the fact that, of course, the public's anger at gps, i think is quite palpable. i think if every bit of the nhs, the public's dissatisfa

the bma says there is no reason for boots to be sold in colourful displays and it wants them in plainnt that but agree something needs to be done. when people switch to vaping they want to disassociate themselves from the taste of tobacco, so why do we want anything to be reminding them that they were a smoker every time they vape? we have to make sure young people can't get these products, and that is where licensing would be a better strategy. the nhs says vaping is much less harmful than smoking but we don't know enough yet about long—term risks. millions of people in southern africa are being pushed into hunger because of the worst drought in decades. about a third of southern african countries are on red alert, having declared emergencies after crops failed. the head of the regional development community says up to 68 million people are in need of assistance, and has launched an appeal for $5.5 billion in aid. the bbc�*s shingai nyoka reports now from mudzi in northern zimbabwe, one of the areas worst affected. the worst drought in living memory is sweeping across the land. here

i think people should remember that the bma is a trade union.al opinion in the uk. it's representative of the rights of, of doctors and particularly i think gp's. but or maybe all doctors, unlike a lot of unions, you know, it's, it's run by a minority of the members. they were very, sort of there was no transparency about this. so first they said there was a motion, then they wouldn't say if they'd voted on it, then they wouldn't say what the result was. and finally they came out and said, this. and they've now set up a little working group to look at it, which is quite breathtakingly arrogant, that a bunch of people who gps think that they can set up a little project team to review the cass review, which itself took four years, had a you know, a number of people involved, including a former head of the royal college of paediatrics and a specialist team at the university of york to look at all the research. so i think what's going on is that some activists in the medical profession and we all know there are such people, have decided that it's pr

i think people should remember that the bma is a trade union.ot representative of medical opinion in the uk. it's representative of the rights of, of doctors and particularly i think gp's. but or maybe all doctors, unlike a lot of unions, you know, it's, it's run by a minority of the members. they were very, sort of there was no transparency about this. so first they said there was a motion, then they wouldn't say if they'd voted on it, then they wouldn't say what the result was. and finally they came out and said, this. and they've now set up a little working group to look at it, which is quite breathtakingly arrogant, that a bunch of people who gps think that they can set up a little project team to review the cass review, which itself took four years, had a you know, a number of people involved, including a former head of the royal college of paediatrics and a specialist team at the university of york to look at all the research. so i think what's going on is that some activists in the medical profession and we all know there are such people,

the bma don't know what that means.omments come amid backlash from senior conservatives over bumper increases offered to train drivers. doctor rob lawson , of drivers. doctor rob lawson, of the bma said conservatives know no nuance now, so doesn't twitter. i want that pointed out and i will let it go. but they did take my account off me for something really ridiculous. so i know that nuance is a very difficult thing for people to grip. the bma have claimed that the tory mps are ideologically hateful towards working people in a row over public sector pay. i mean, that's a crazy thing to say. >> i mean, in my case, lucky guess. but that is a crazy thing to say. the tories have traditionally stood up for working people and made sure they get to keep more of their wages, because taxes are lower. i'm talking about the tories of old, not the not the current. >> no, i mean, what do you say to this? it's like, no, you are, but so what? no, i know i am, but so what? no, i know i am, but what you know the thing. oh my gosh, i kno

the bma says there is no reason for boots to be sold in colourful displays and it wants them in plaintaste of tobacco so why do we want anything to be reminding them that they were a smoker every time they tried faith? we have to make sure young people conquer these products, and that's where we licensing would be a better strategy. the nhs says vaping is much less harmful than smoking but we don't know enough yet about long—term risks. manchester city council says it will investigate claims some hotels appear to be trying to cash in from the oasis concerts at heaton park. people have reported having existing bookings for the same dates cancelled yesterday, only to find the rooms readvertised at triple the price. our reporter meghan owen has more. as soon as that announcement was made, there was a huge surge in bookings for hotels near those stadiums where oasis is going to be performing. and fans have said that they've received e—mails with cancellations or being forced to cancel their bookings. so i've actually got one e—mail here that was sent from fans, and it's from a hotel near

and the bma are now saying that the cass report is it's not valid because it's not justified .it's not justified. it's not based on anything. and you think, well, as opposed to the experimental medicine that you are quite pushing, i mean , i are quite pushing, i mean, i find this i don't know why i should be surprised. >> josh, at this point, you know, more than astonishing. >> it's evil. frankly, these are representatives of doctors in this country. if anybody else, if any other organisation should be getting fully on board to protecting children , it should protecting children, it should be this one. and as you say, it's the it's the committee, not regular doctors. and as we know, anybody in any kind of normal life, anybody who's attracted to being on a committee is a wrong'un. just by nature. so it's sort of true, though. >> i mean, if you go back to student politics, the people who get involved in it, they are wrongand. yeah, yeah. they're dodgy. >> it's like they want power and then they become our politicians. exactly. of course they do. weirdos, but the fact that they re

do you as a member of the bma and gp, do you know if there has been a conversation between the bma ond a 98% call to action. i do not want to quote this. i am not in direct contact with the health secretary, but i would be surprised if the health department was not aware this was going on because we have raised it for years. i was going on because we have raised it for ears. ., ,, . ., was going on because we have raised it for years-— it for years. i appreciate you shafinu it for years. i appreciate you sharing the _ it for years. i appreciate you sharing the experience i it for years. i appreciate you sharing the experience and l it for years. i appreciate you i sharing the experience and talking about what will happen in your practice. do not be alarmed when you see what is behind carol. it is summer and we are allowed to expect summer. this mist and fog in the south—east will lift in the next couple of hours but it is dense in places but not everywhere. this is montrose. some sunshine. we will see showers continue across the south—eastern quarter of the country but a lot of dry wea

and the bma is one of the worst examples of trade union policy. >> and we saw the 22% pay rise agreedthe bma leader said, yeah, this time next year we'll be ready to consider strike action against. well, i mean they've got it in their nostrils now. strike action haven't they? they've got it in their blood. it's in their dna. >> the 22% is over is over two years. so we won't be having a strike between over the next two years. what they would look at is what they would do after that. they still have this claim that. they still have this claim that they they want 35%. and based on the fact that is the money they have lost over the last 20 years, allegedly. well i mean, that is true. i mean, the pay mean, that is true. i mean, the pay in real terms has gone down. so they're right about that . i so they're right about that. i don't agree with the 35%. i mean, 35% is ridiculous. but 22% may not be if you actually divide that over a two year period. we'll wait for the nurses to come in when they've already indicated they want some. >> that's next. then we'll have the rail workers. then we'll

the bma wants disposable vapes and all flavoured ones to be banned.rketed and sold, similar to cigarettes, with plain packaging and products kept behind the counter. if you're stopping smoking, you need a tobacco flavoured vape to just transfer from one to another. there is no need for any of the colourants or any of the flavourings that we see at the moment. we don't want to see them advertised in an open forum. there's no point in having a shiny bubble gum flavour, it's just about providing a quit aid. the uk vaping industry association agrees that stronger measures are needed to cut off the supply of youth vaping and illicit products, but it fears bans could lead to people using the black market and harms stop smoking progress. what we'd like to see and have been campaigning for many years is to see an introduction of vape licensing for both retailers and wholesalers. that would include things like robust age verification processes, for instance. then also we need to combine that with increased fines. and we'd like to see, as an industry, minimum f

is the bma this is the british medical authority and the cas report. the cas report.ngs in this country. you have some one crazy old lady and she. she's no, she, she's she's a very experienced. >> she's a top paediatrician. >> she's a top paediatrician. >> she's a top paediatrician. >> she is. but when you have one person you can just say, well, you know what? she made the report. >> i don't like it. she didn't just do it on her own. i mean, she, she had her name is on there. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> because one person has to be ultimately accountable. >> it's not like the warren commission. >> we've got a prime minister, but it's not like he does everything that the public sector does. >> the point is, the point is, is that this government has decided to backtrack on it and say, we're going to start giving out, you know, stuff, giving out the drugs to make kids. >> i don't know if the government actually has, but the bma, the british medical association, the british medical union for doctors, has recommended that we start giving kids puberty blockers again, puberty block

the bma wants disposable vapes and all flavoured ones to be banned.cigarettes, with plain packaging and products kept behind the counter. if you're stopping smoking, you need a tobacco flavoured vape to just transfer from one to another. there is no need for any of the colourants or any of the flavourings that we see at the moment. we don't want to see them advertised in an open forum. there's no point in having a shiny bubble gum flavour, it's just about providing a quit aid. the uk vaping industry association agrees that stronger measures are needed to cut off the supply of youth vaping and illicit products, but it fears bans could lead to people using the black market and harms stop smoking progress. what we'd like to see and have been campaigning for many years is to see an introduction of vape licensing for both retailers and wholesalers. that would include things like robust age verification processes, for instance. then also we need to combine that with increased fines. and we'd like to see, as an industry, minimum fines of £10,000 per instance

they're saying it's not a good the bma, the people who are the officers of the bma, they're hard lefty accept it. and on the day they accepted, later in the day they accepted, later in the afternoon, they said, well, actually it's not a very good offer. >> i don't think there's anything left wing about acting as a, you know, privileged scumbag. and i'm afraid that's what i wanted to say, that i don't think that's left wing at all. i consider myself of the left and i think they're behaving behaviour is appalling. i wouldn't be draconian on something like the right to strike, because i think it's a slippery slope . yes, it will slippery slope. yes, it will affect people who, you know, like that . we've seen in amazon like that. we've seen in amazon that they're they're fighting to get a trade union because they have no right to take any action at all. so i think if you crack down on on anyone, it will affect everyone else. >> there would be certain services. police officers are already immune from. they can't strike, nor can, nor can the armed forces. i'm sorry i put doctors in there to

the result of a ballot by the bma on the action will be announced later.se because government funding has not kept up with rising costs. it comes as the department of health announces plans to recruit more newly qualified gps this year. five more medals on the fifth day of the olympics for team gb, with two golds won in the space of 15 minutes. triathlete alex yee and the women�*s quad sculls rowers won gold. there was a silver in the bmx, and bronze medals in women�*s triathlon and women�*s synchronised diving. our sports reporter patrick geary looks back at the day�*s highlights. what a run from alex yee! until the last strides... it�*s gold! until the last stroke, until the end. two british golds with one message, never give up. alex yee and all the triathletes had been held up. their race had been delayed 24 hours by pollution in the river seine. once in the water, yee struggled. he was 18th by the time he got out. he�*d need to give chase, but with only one and a half miles of the run remaining, he seemed to be struggling. still, he found something, e

the bma wants disposable vapes and all flavoured ones to be banned.ling for curbs on how vapes are marketed and sold, similar to cigarettes, with plain packaging and products kept behind the counter. if you're stopping smoking, you need a tobacco—flavoured vape to just transfer from one to another. there is no need for any of the colourants or any of the flavourings that we see at the moment. we don't want to see them advertised in an open forum. there's no point in having a shiny bubble gum flavour. it'sjust about providing a quick aid. providing a quit aid. the uk vaping industry association agrees that stronger measures are needed to cut off the supply of youth vaping and illicit products, but it fears bans could lead to people using the black market and harm stop—smoking progress. what we'd like to see, and have been campaigning for many years, is to see an introduction of vape licensing for both retailers and wholesalers. that would include things like robust age verification processes, for instance. then also, we need to combine that with increa

the bma is an. >> but i suppose it is a bit silly that you've just potentially given them a 22% pay risegoing to go on strike next year. >> well, we don't know. they're going to go on strike next year. i mean, that's just the you know, anybody can go on strike at any time if they follow their procedures. i mean, they're much less likely to go on strike next year after they've been given a sensible settlement, which was an awful lot less than they asked for to make those procedures easier. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and look, when a government know not to go on strike, know you still have to have a ballot. >> well, when a government capitulates so easily, every union must be. exactly. let's be clear. aslef and its leadership have done the best job for their members. that is their job. and they have done sean. >> they've got less than they asked for. >> but but no, that's that's what you call bargaining. yes, exactly. >> sean. 850. your government sat there, sean, and it did nothing. it let 22 days of strikes go. it let 22 it weeks, months and months of strikes go ahead. it cost the

we can speak to dr shan hussain, gp partner in nottingham, who's a bma council member.evening, gp services around the country are experiencing extraordinary amount of sex as stress and overwhelm. we have a record number of patients and funding have diminished significantly, about two thirds of £1 billion over the last five years, and were looking to restore some of that funding and improve the funding for practices so we can serve our patients better.— for practices so we can serve our patients better. over 1300 practices one in the patients better. over 1300 practices gone in the last— patients better. over 1300 practices gone in the last decade, _ patients better. over 1300 practices gone in the last decade, so - patients better. over 1300 practices gone in the last decade, so many i patients better. over 1300 practicesl gone in the last decade, so many are not making ends meet, what form with the collective action be? there not making ends meet, what form with the collective action be?— the collective action be? there are series of ten _ the collective action be? the

the result of a ballot by the bma on the action will be announced later.g costs. it comes as the department of health announces plans to recruit more newly qualified gps this year. poor eyesight and high cholestorol have been identified as two factors which can increase the chance of developing dementia. the lancet commission says that by managing these issues, along with other factors linked to unhealthy lifestyles like smoking and excessive drinking, nearly half of all dementia cases could be delayed or prevented. three of the men accused of plotting the september the 11th attacks in the united states in 2001 have agreed to a plea deal. us media reports that the men will plead guilty to conspiracy charges to avoid the death penalty. our correspondent, jenny kumah, reports from washington. khalid sheikh mohammed has been described as the mastermind behind the deadliest attack on us soil since the attack on pearl harbor in the second world war. he and his co—accused have been held at guantanamo bay for nearly 20 years. the case has been bogged down by pre—

these are the figures that the bma are throwing around. 50% of people.here you have this enormous 40% of government expenditure and we are not addressing it. what we are doing is we'rejust giving addressing it. what we are doing is we're just giving the poor a bit more and we are having a kind of initiative here and an initiative there. i love this covenant to coordinate and to convert and to coalesce and to bring it all together, the poverty busting things that we need to do. find together, the poverty busting things that we need to do.— together, the poverty busting things that we need to do. and editing your bi idea for that we need to do. and editing your big idea for a — that we need to do. and editing your big idea for a while, _ that we need to do. and editing your big idea for a while, hasn't _ that we need to do. and editing your big idea for a while, hasn't it? - that we need to do. and editing your big idea for a while, hasn't it? a - big idea for a while, hasn't it? a sort of anti—poverty department or ministry with the secretary of state his

joining me now is doctor lawrence buckman, a former chairman of the bma's gp committee.ng committee. doctor buckman, thank you forjoining us committee. doctor buckman, thank you for joining us tonight on farage. why on earth are gp striking or not or slowing down their work ? their work? >> they're stopping doing things they're not paid for and they are reducing work to safe limits . are reducing work to safe limits. that's two separate things. one is the sort of headline . they're is the sort of headline. they're going down to 25 patients a day, which is recognised as the european safe limit from harmony, from how many? >> 40 or so, something like that . >> 40 or so, something like that. >> 40 or so, something like that. >> yeah. i mean, it was a quiet day when i had only 36 people, so, so 40 is more like it and 50 is not unheard of . and that is not unheard of. and that isn't safe for patients, particularly at the end of the day, they're not getting as good a deal as they did at 9:00 in the morning. and that has to stop. we've been talking to government about that for

>> the bma is not affiliated with labour. the least union affiliated labour party we've had in years, but it's the most militant union in the country. >> the bma, now the most militant union in the country, holding out for 35%, which actually they've got two years at 22%. a third year would have been 33%. well, we've run out of time on that one as well. >> but let us know what you think on that one. i mean, do you think labour are throwing older voters under the bus? do they not care about anyone over they not care about anyone over the age of 50, or are you on amy's side? and maybe youngsters do need looking after more, i'm dawn neesom this is gb news. it's the weekend and there's plenty more coming up on today's show. but first, my highlight. it's the news headlines with the very young ray . right, okay. we appear to have a problem with ray's mic there. so we will be getting back to him very soon. but i just want to read out a few of your comments. why? | read out a few of your comments. why? i have got time to do so, the o

joining me now is doctor lawrence buckman, a former chairman of the bma's gp committee.g committee. doctor buckman, thank you forjoining us committee. doctor buckman, thank you for joining us tonight on farage. why on earth are gp striking or not or slowing down their work ? their work? >> they're stopping doing things they're not paid for and they are reducing work to safe limits . are reducing work to safe limits. that's two separate things. one is the sort of headline . they're is the sort of headline. they're going down to 25 patients a day, which is recognised as the european safe limit from harmony, from how many? >> 40 or so, something like that . >> 40 or so, something like that. >> 40 or so, something like that. >> yeah. i mean, it was a quiet day when i had only 36 people, so, so 40 is more like it and 50 is not unheard of . and that is not unheard of. and that isn't safe for patients, particularly at the end of the day, they're not getting as good a deal as they did at 9:00 in the morning. and that has to stop. we've been talking to government about that for y

they've got the junior doctors, the bma, the various other health unions who will have something to sayall we move on? because it is day two of notting hill carnival, a million people or so expected to descend on west london. they'll probably be there right now to take part in there right now to take part in the cultural celebrations, vibrant colours and music . but vibrant colours and music. but the problem is, every year it does seem to be plagued by crime. now three people were known to be stabbed yesterday, a 32 year old left in a life threatening condition, and there were more than 90 arrests. and it was meant to be the family day yesterday. so i guess the question is, is the notting hill carnival worth it? does something need to change? is it a good use of police resources for example, i read that 7000 police officers are down at this one event. i mean, what about the rest of what about the rest of london? i mean, matthew, let's why don't we show a little, an image of your walk to work today ? we have i literally work today? we have i literally was my walk was short , and there wa

the bma as well, have sort of turned around and said they're going to disregard the cass report or they'ree. it's wrong. you know, kids, when they're growing up, they experiment with all sorts of things. they dress up. they're not aware of those sort of issues, and you need to go through that sort of stuff. at the same time, we've got to have a sensitive conversation about it, but also it's the parents and those who are supporting this sort of stuff to say, this is what we're going to do. it's wrong and we have to stop it. yeah. >> when i was a kid, i wanted to be a teenage mutant ninja turtle, and i don't think my life would have been improved by having a turtle shell irremovable grafted to my back. oh, i'm not so sure i would like to have seen that would be fantastic. >> steve from wonka and the chocolate factory. yeah, it's a dress up as a cowboy. there you go. i wouldn't have involved any surgery, though. yeah, but, no, i think the parents exactly there. i've always thought there should be a test, maybe psychological test before someone has children . you've got someone has children. y

the bma wants disposable vapes and all flavoured ones to be banned.n how vapes are marketed and sold, similar to cigarettes, with plain packaging and products kept behind the counter. if you're stopping smoking, you need a tobacco flavoured vape to just transfer from one to another. there is no need for any of the colourants or any of the flavourings that we see at the moment. we don't want to see them advertised in an open forum. there's no point in having a shiny bubble gum flavour, it's just about providing a quit aid. the uk vaping industry association agrees that stronger measures are needed to cut off the supply of youth vaping and illicit products, but it fears bans could lead to people using the black market and harms stop smoking progress. what we'd like to see and have been campaigning for many years is to see an introduction of vape licensing for both retailers and wholesalers. that would include things like robust age verification processes, for instance. then also we need to combine that with increased fines. and we'd like to see, as an i

>> because the bma want it capped.i agree with that point that we should be allowing as many people on fina. we should be allowing as many social care. >> we could be here for hours. >> we could be here for hours. >> we could be here for hours. >> we want to train as a doctor to do so. but but the problem here, you know, i agree with joe in terms of, you know, people are contributing to our economy or our society, then. fine. and those statistics, you know, may not be found, but they may be anecdotally true. but the real problem here is scatter means that it will be hiding the real problem, which is people being housed at the government's expense, i.e. the taxpayers expense, i.e. the taxpayers expense. expense, i.e. the taxpayers expense . that's what people are expense. that's what people are really concerned about, because that's where people feel a sense of injustice, that other people are getting something that they are getting something that they are not. >> and that's the point, joe, isn't it? there's a very stro

britain's biggest union of doctors, the bma, have called for a ban on all flavoured vapes in a bid toys the government should take bold and brave action because they want to protect children, particularly from the harms caused by these flavoured vapes. >> quite right. so joining us now is doctor marina murphy, spokesperson for the uk vaping industry association. good morning marina. good to see you again . now can you put a defence again. now can you put a defence as to why these doctors are wrong when they call for a ban on these products ? on these products? >> well, as as we've said many times before, these products are designed for adult smokers to help them to quit smoking. and they do that very effectively. and there's already legislation in place. it's illegal for anybody under 18 to buy or use anybody under 18 to buy or use an e—cigarette . so for me, an e—cigarette. so for me, i think it makes no sense to target the smokers that want and need these products. rather, we should be targeting the retailers that are selling the products to the young people because they shouldn't b

. >> well, the doctors are now revolting over the bma's warped gender ideology , which is gender ideologyhe right direction. i'll bring you tomorrow's newspaper front pages with my wonderful panel. it is columnist and broadcaster esther krakow, director of the centre of migration and economic prosperity, steven woolfe, and political commentator jonathan lees. oh, and find out what happens next here. as a circus bear finally snaps. get ready britain. here we go . britain. here we go. it's keir starmer emerging as a massive authoritarian with no opposition and a huge majority. next .