in the camping world for lgbtq families and at the same time the youth comes to camp newman and bo holiholish so is that an example how you see the ways in which the multi culturism exists around the community and jewish camping and also very particular ways in which folks who identify in a particular way also come here. i'm wondering if you can talk about your perspective how you see jewish identity evolving and functioning in your respective arenas? >> sure. so we welcome around 1200 campers every summer and our campers come from all walks of life and all denominations and all levels of faith and observance. our hope and goal when they come to camp newman is they will find a place where they feel at home and they can be their best selves without outside pressure and they feel like they found a place where they have a family. and we have groups of all the ones you mentioned -- we have different races at camp and different family make-ups at camp newman and when you're at camp all of that combines to form this different family we have at camp. we also hear from campers who also go to camp twa