even rise to bo johnny and both marxism and liberalism, with in your brain rekindling the only disputes about the right them the wrong sides of history. channel russia and the west meeting somewhere in the middle of to discuss with them now and joined by a friend in bar president of the jerusalem institute for strategic studies. professor invite great to see you. great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. my pleasure, you wrote recently about the seemingly existential political need to be the best being on the right side of history. if we tried to put policy central baganda out of it and look at it from historical and perhaps psychological perspective, what time do you need this righteousness? i don't believe it right side of history basically is the history is written by the victim loans and narratives. that remains a few. jo is the ones that is defined by the victim. by the way, hitler was not a big bully. if you would ever put more attention to the longer that you might have been the victim, would it be? so i'd say the story about that. now, the tensions between russia