joining me, david kirkpatrick, bob baer on the phone, fran townsend. fran now serves on the cia external advisory committee and recently visited libya with her employer, mcandrews and forbes. fran, every white house relies on information from the intelligence community, getting the experts to help with what to say publicly. you also say there are times when mistakes happen, but you say you don't think this is a mistake. you think they knew more than they were publicly letting on. >> john, look, what we know is in that first 24 hours as americans were waking to this tragic news, that senior intelligence officials were in hourly contact updating the white house. as you pointed out, we don't know what was said in those conversations but i can tell you from having lived through these crises, you're getting a constant feed of what the intelligence community understands about what is currently going on and what has happened on the ground. they will caveat the information because of course in those first hours, there will be all sorts of information, some of