so let me ask you, bob baer.does that video and how slickly it's produced, does that say anything to you? >> these people are technologically adept. across the board, making videos. encrypted communications. mobile wi-fi. there's clearly -- people -- they're good. they are very good. and also -- i also keep coming back to this. the more they fight and the more they get used to violence, the more -- the better they'll get and more likely they're going to export it. and all these conflicts, what we can say about them, what we can predict, is the longer they go on, the more violence there's going to be. we also can't forget, they also have an american woman, but so far, i don't know of isis executing any women, foreign women. >> colonel, let me ask you. we're talking about the time and how time -- nic was saying time could be running out now for allen henning who they were threatening. after james foley, i believe it was two weeks to the day that they shared the execution tape of steven sotloff, and now i think it's

national security analyst bob baer and chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto also joining us as well. jim sciutto, to you first on this. what have you been able to learn since this news has broken? >> randi, first, thoughts go out to david haynes' family and friends. just a horrible event and so widely publicized and seen by the world. it's the first thing that comes to mind. the second, we're getting another very bitter taste of how brutal this group is. and the length they're willing to go to terrorize. and, you know, another thought that comes to mind is this. a lot of attention has been focused since the killings, beheadings of james foley, american, steven sotloff, an american on this presumed killer, this voice that we hear and face we see in these videos. that british voice, shocking enough when it was a -- apparently a britain killing americans. even more shocking, of course, here that it would be a britain killing a britain here and taking his aim at what presumably is his own country. in such a visible and brutal way. and you know, it's just a sad event to watch.

secretary of state john kerry -- i'm sorry, we don't have bob baer anymore. nic robertson, let me turn to you. in terms of recruiting efforts, you know, when you see a horrible video like this which now is the third one we have seen, does that inspire those who want to be radicalized and want to fight alongside isis? >> the anecdotal evidence we're getting here in britain from people involved in deradicalizing young men who want to go to syria and fight is affirmatively yes. in the past few weeks, they are saying that even more people are converting to islam, and joining the fight. or want to join the fight. or want to go to syria. so this is something that really stimulates them. these are young men that are learning a radical version of islam, a completely incorrect version of islam. they're often learning online. they're learning in small groups. they're motivated for something different in their lives. and they see these videos, see these killings, and for them it stimulates them. and the real concern is, they will go and then they will come back. so you

bob baer, i want to get straight to you. when we talked about the execution of james foley, and you can see the isis militant showing steven sotloff later in the video you said to me at the time, worrying two weeks ago then about the fate of steven sotloff. >> exactly, brooke. i think as we continue to strike isis and i think we will, they will come back at us any way we can. they have a whole bunch of hostages. they have the ability to buy more hostages in syria. they have another american hostage, a female. as someone who has negotiated with these isis people holding the hostages, they told me that they are all europeans. there wasn't a single arab or anyone from afghanistan. and as he described them, they are psychopaths and they are cold-blooded murders and they will continue on orders to execute hostages. i don't know why they haven't produced the american woman but other than their idea of islam. >> when you look at this video, bob, is this -- i know its audience is multipronged, right? obviously this masked man is spe

. >> bob baer, former cia operative, let me bring you in. to get into when we hear this. but just off the top, beyond the brutality, what is your read on this? >> what isis wants to do is portray this as a war of islam against the west and in tech the united states. isis is cutting the heads off of shia muslims as well. but it's not putting those atrocities forward because it wants to appear to be on organization for all muslims and by going to war with the united states, it achieves a major propaganda victory. and you see more and more, even the taliban in afghanistan is parts of it is swearing allegiance to isis, the islamic state. that's the real fear of the administration, this virus is spreading rather than being contained. >> i mean, you have been part of cia, covered middle east for decades. and we had talked at nauseaum, for example, about al qaeda. christiane amanpour was sitting here with me comparing isis to al qaeda. she said this is al qaeda squared cubed beyond these two groups. >> i think you're both right. this is something e

so let's talk about this with national security analyst, and former cia operative, bob baer. ng on there? who are these people? >> well, brooke, you know, it's funny on one level. but it's indicative of a failed state. and i've been thinking about this a lot. and this is what we keep on seeing as these militias, most of them just completely out of control. but the well-organized ones are the fundamentalists and they seem to be winning, predominating and predominating in libya. and i think behind these people, from everything i've heard, is the same sort of people that run isis. >> i wanted to ask you if there was any kind of connection, anything -- any of these groups in libya to what we have seen play out both in syria and iraq? >> there's only one connection, and that goes to qatar. they have been funding both groups in libya, funding isis. all, the muslim brotherhood, the militant wing, they fund it. and there is sort of a connection. but the real thing is, they could do -- get all their ideology offline, all the authorities they need are also online. and that's where it is

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dana, your thoughts on whether bob baer is right?e can't bury -- we can't put our head in the sand and say they are not here. they are not here. >> of course not, and i think what you're hearing from some of these anonymous sources or the intel community, i've seen this before. start to reach out a little bit because they are getting concerned that perhaps the united states is not taking this as seriously as they would like. it is very confusing. when you hear messages like that and then you hear the president of the united states say, well, look, the world has always been a messy place. know more about it now because of social media, a shrug of the shoulder and then on one and he's going to degrade it and destroy it and then he's going to manage it. there's reason for americans to be confused. >> i think what we really need, and america has to take a page out of isis and start creating our own scary as hell propaganda. >> i agree. >> why can't we go back to what we did with desert storm and showed powerpoint presentations of people

of building this coalition to fight isis, cnn national security analyst and former cia operative bob baer and cnn's senior international court nic robertson, good to see you both. but let me start here with saudi arabia. this is a quote from michael rubin from the american enterprise institute. he says trusting saudi arabia to take the lead on deradicalization is like asking arsonist to be volunteer firefighters. that's a pretty strong statement, bob. can the u.s. trust the saudis and what's stopping the saudis from doing more? >> no, they can't trust them. saudi arabia, at least on a private level, has been funding the islamic opposition in syria, which is -- which has morphed into isis. they have a radical ideology. they are strongly, strongly backing any radical militant islamic groups. they -- you know, they're schizophrenic about this because they're worried it's going to come back and get them. but at the same time i don't see them, you know, concerted way going after isis. they'll, you know, go through the motions, but that's it. >> and, nic, you've been to saudi arabia many times.

bob baer, thanks for the insight. it's fascinating to explore that. >> all right, big developments in the ray rice case. the latest on that. >> plus, two wives of retired nfl players speak out, their thoughts on abusive relationships. this is charlie. his long day of doing it himself starts with back pain... and a choice. take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. honey, you did it! baby laughs! >> new dwoemts s developments the ray rice story. >> there's new questions about what the nfl knew and when they knew it. >> reporter: just when you thought this story was getting smaller, it seems to be getting bigger. the associated press say an anonymous law enforcement source provided the nfl with the videotape from inside the elevator three months prior. they did this because they wanted the nfl to have all the information at its fingertips. the nfl getting back to us very quickly. an nfl spokesperson saying we have no knowledge of this. we are not aware of anyone in our office who posessed or saw the video

and also bob baer. he's a former cia operative. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. bob, let's start with you. you just heard stephanie elam's piece about how isis is organized differently than any other terrorist organization. they have this sophisticated pr arm. they're able to raise money more effectively than other terrorist organizations. so does that make them tougher to defeat? >> alisyn, absolutely. they have, for instance, encrypted communications which can't be broken by the national security agency. that in itself allows them to get around our best defenses in this country. the question is are they bringing these people in this country? can they get around police controls in this country? i would say yes. but more than that, they are effectively a state of nearly 20 million people. if you look at their area from aleppo all the way to mosul in the north. they've holding back the iraqi army fairly well. they've had some setbacks. but they have a lot of sophisticated equipment. they have a lot of people that know how to fight for them. but more than that they'

. >> and bob baer, what do we know about the executioner in all of these videos and is our intelligence getting any better? >> well, this is a british problem, in particular, scotland yard, following these radical groups. theirs cities in the suburbs there. they come from alienated communities. very difficult on the inside. i doubt the british government has a source in this group. they have been able to get in touch with hostage holdsers have learned this. they tried to negotiate with them through intermediaries 234 turkey. they didn't think they were serious. they felt money wasn't going to make a difference and if they don't act pretty quickly, they're going to execute. >> does this step it up a notch for other country sns. >> the british is having their cobra meeting tomorrow and the us is very a very similar meeting at the white house right now. and, although we have a timetable of how we wanted to prosecute this air campaign against both isis in syria and iraq. i think that's going to be moved to the front burner because there is going to cat liez and galvanize public opinion in b

. >> i want to play something that former cia op the rattive bob baer said to me. >> the people thatct tactical intelligence on the ground day to day and this isn't washington, but you know, people collecting this stuff say they're here. isis is here. they're capable of striking. they don't know what their plans and intentions are, but it's a definite concern. >> jen, are there isis operatives, isis cells here on american soil? >> well, jake, look, i think we've been clear that one of our primary concerns is individuals who have western passports who have aligned themselves with terrorist organizations like is isil. obviously, we have a range of tactics to prevent those individuals from coming into the united states, but certainly what we're looking at and what we're focused on is wherever this threat is, wherever it is growing and the focus of that is really in countries like syria and iraq where we've seen the most growth over the past several months. >> but are they here? >> i don't have any additional information, jake, to provide to you on the comments of that individual. >> tha

associate director of the international security and defense policy center at rand and bob baer, our national security analyst and former cia. watching this video is extremely difficult. as you heard nic make the case, we think it's important when you have a country on the brink of war and to understand the horrors that we're really talking about. when people see that, it makes it clear. why do they -- what are they getting, what are they gaining by putting out these slickly, very sophisticatedly produced videos? >> isis has multiple audiences for putting out these videos. one is they're trying to recruit people who want to come to fight in what they consider a good jihad and fight for an organization that is standing up to the west and particularly the united states. second, i think, and isis leaders including baghdady have said publicly, they're trying to coerce the united states to stop targeting their own locations in iraq right now and potentially in syria in the future. i think the hope is to almost terrorize the american population into stopping this execution of air strikes t

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served in the obama administration as former director of strategic planning and also joining us is bob baer, former cia operative. as deb was reporting, the fbi has been looking for this man for years. how concerning is it that they still don't know where he is? >> well, if he's in syria, it's impossible to find him. we have no connections with the syrian government. he could have snuck across the border from turkey, for instance. disappeared. picked up other passports. he understands computers. he's gone off cell phones. these people are very sophisticated and they know all about edward snowden and those leaks. they know what the national security agency is and they know how to fly under the radar. they can do it. this is what concerns me. >> and i think what may shock a lot of people watching who with all this coverage of the nsa and all this coverage of people spying on people, everybody thinks that everybody knows everything. it's so far from true. when you thing about this, some viewers may be thinking about the 9/11 hijackers living openly in the united states. could isis members be d

and when you look at a situation where, look, we just heard bob baer former cia operative say the u.stel jedligence on iss not nearly enough. is the president wise to be a bit cautious? is that fair? >> i don't think it's an issue of being a bit cautious. i think it's an issue of really not focusing on this threat and treating it for the major threat that it is. and i think that's the reason why you saw so many around the president this week come out and say bold statements whether it be from the pentagon, whether it be from congress and making it clear that we need to focus on this. i just don't think it was a top priority of this white house and that's the reason why he was asked a question. he had to admit we don't have a strategy yet. it's something i haven't been really focused on. so, in the last week he's been focused on it a little bit. but saying we don't have a strategy, he's saying i'm not focused on it that much. >> that's not true. i would argue. >> let me jump in. let me jump in here, gentlemen. we did hear defense secretary chuck hagel say midweek on cnn with jim sciutt

for more a short time ago, i spoke with cnn national security analyst bob baer. >> it's still not clear the u.s. president is ready to authorize military action air strikes in syria on isis targets. if he doesn't go down that road, can you actually defeat isis? >> no. he's going to have to get rid of them in syria. iraq is the capital of the islamic state. that's where the command and control is. they've got weapons, they've got the planning in as much as planning occurs there. the border is more or less gone. and the caliphate crosses that vast desert that goes into iraq. they have to get rid of the whole thing if they're going to decapitate it, or degrade it as they say. >> to do that, they'll need support of the iraqis in iraq. and the sunnis as well. can they build that coalition? >> well, so far they've utterly failed. if you look at the retaking of armalee, they had to bring in the iranians, iranian-backed militias. and the army didn't show up. there were some tribes, but i mean, that's not good, when you have to align with the shia meshes against, you know, isis. i mean, for them

us now to talk about all that is major general james spider marks, and also former cia operative bob baer and cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank. bob, i have to ask you straight off, when you look at this video, it the same guy? has this been dubbed over? how do we know? >> they'll be able to tell by voice analysis, and in the video images there is going to be meta data that have been embedded. they can tell a lot. they can tell the temperature it was shot at. there is a lot of things they can do with it. but the problem is these guys are so deep in syria that ever getting to them is going to be very difficult. >> spider, you know, you heard bob say they can look at the terrain and maybe that would give them a clue. but doesn't it just look like a nondescript desert? it could be anywhere. how will analysts figure out the location of this? >> well, they'll be able to probably get some gps data as well. the real issue is once we know -- let's assume we can figure all that out, as bob as suggested, and frankly, we can get awfully close. the question becomes what do we do with this intell

. >> former cia operative bob baer saying to men at program yesterday, talking about the lack of u.s.elligence on isis, you have had a lot -- a lot of people -- people talking about that being a big concern. are you -- are you concerned -- do you believe that the united states has nearly enough intelligence on isis? >> you can in ever have enough intelligence, especially a group like this. it's hard to imagine that a group that has accepted so many people into its ranks from european countries has not also had a few pie spies infiltrated into its ranks which raises the question of are they going to begin executing people they suspect of spying on them and it looks like they are already doing that. >> wow, well, thank you for the expertise coming in. we appreciate you spending part of your sunday with us. >> my pleasure. >> thank you, christopher. fascinating conversation. we appreciate it. >>> also coming up next, the controlling stake in another nba team is about to go on the block. it is for sale. again, an owner finds himself apologizing for comments about race that he should have

. >> bob baer, a cnn intelligence analyst, is joining us. give us your quick reaction.is awful news. this seems that isis is being emboldened right now. not only did they behead steven sotloff but they say they are going to continue on with a british citizen. >> i think they are trying to characterize themselves war against the west and they will keep going if they have to continue to have losses in iraq, as they have in the last couple of days, they will come back at us. they are looking to become an international movement, a caliphate and i still believe they can hit us in the united states and whether there is specific planning or not, that's where we're headed. >> when you say that they are planning on hitting the united states, give us a little bit more analysis why you think that's a credible threat. they seem to be -- they have their hands full of syria and iraq right now. >> reporter: they have their hands now but they are gaining international stature. there are a bunch of arrests in saudi arabia, they are swearing allegiance to this so-called caliphate. they a