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yet bob barr and jimmy carter believe troy davis should not be executed. clearly the state of georgia needs to pay attention. >> thank you for your time. obviously it's going to be a difficult evening for you. we appreciate you taking time to talk to us. >> thank you so much for having me. >>> we'll bring you all the latest breaking news from that story. the so far delayed execution of troy davis throughout the show. >>> our other big story tonight is a happier one. release of josh fattal and shane bauer from an iranian prison after two years in captivity. my next guest is someone who escorted them to the airport. she joins me on the phone. ambassador, thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> we're watching these extraordinary scenes with the two young men coming off the plane to meet their families. scenes of utter joy as you would expect. how have they been today? you spent more time with them than anybody else. what's their mood been like? >> of course they were completely overjoyed. that this was all over. that they were about to meet t

bob barr, from georgia. they say there is too much doubt in this case. shouldn't be an execution. >> the other guy involved in beating up the homeless person somehow got a gun with the same ballistic evidence left behind as apparently the guy convicted of this crime. got ahold of the gun and did the shooting is that your theory of the crime? >> the theory is, there was a man named red coles, he was there. the first person that came forward, he said troy davis did it. he knew troy was at the scene. >> i thought they were both involved in beating up the homeless guy. >> it is not clear that is an allegation. the point is that davis came upon coles beating up the guy. coal system saying the opposite. there are no incredible eyewitnesses. >> i am trying to figure out what is the reasonable argument, that something else happened. >> there is plenty of reasonable arguments. >> what did happen then? >> well, the defense theory is a simple one. that coles is a guy that did the shooting, it was his gun, no gun was recovered. the theory that was put before the jur

you're asserting a lot of people up because they don't like the idea that we're i mean you know bob barr the former congressman from georgia. you still progress going to say i was in very passionate about the about trying to stop its execution because there's that here i mean and i think there's reason for passion and emotion when there's time to kill someone when they feel. of course we need to be rational in considering able but you know in this case again we have you know he's he was convicted on i would miss testimony which proven to have lots of problems and be overstating things and then some of the night and this is a some sort. and you know the judge the federal judge who reviewed the evidence and made the hearing said you know this well if i do stuff with this flaw that this is even later that they can't do it so it's even less reliable but some of those were killed and so they were actually pressured by police the first time around and that's something that you know that's a very different sort of memory than memory on for somebody right so there are they get yeah i think we ne

particular has stirred a lot of people up because they don't like the idea that we're i mean you know bob barr the former congressman from georgia who's very pro not that would you still produce i'm going to stay i've been very passionate about the about trying to stop this execution because there's doubt here i mean and i think there's reason for passion emotion when there's about to kill someone when they doubt about their guilt of course we need to be rational in considering evidence but you know in this case again we have you know he's he was convicted on i when this testimony which is proven to have lots of problems and be overstating things and then seven of the nine i would this is a since recanted and you know the judge the federal judge who reviewed the evidence and they have that hearing said you know that well if i want to test what is flawed this is even later that they have recanted so it's even less reliable but some of those are kids who said they were actually pressured by police the first time around and that's something that you know that's a very different sort of memory tha

you have bob barr who was the congressman of georgia who's a republican he himself works on legislation making it harder to overturn the death penalty and he sees this as a really unfair and not definitive. example of guilt i mean he said he himself someone who's such an advocate of the death penalty that he works on making it harder to overturn. penalty sentences he realizes that troy davis is either in a sense or he's certainly not guilty beyond reasonable doubt and there's someone out there who probably did do it and more people have come forward and said that someone else a man named phil bester calls has done it and people have said troy davis has done it and you know we like to talk about how much respect we have for life and some people especially on the right talk about erring on the side of life why would we want to err on the side of life when it comes to literally life and death and the human being's life and what's the harm the very worst the person stays on. for life without parole i don't understand why we wouldn't want to err on the side of safety and caution in life it's

when you have that kind of range between bill sessions and jimmy carter, bob barr and jimmy carter, there'se. >> that is one side of it. not everybody has read every bit of testimony. people have followed this in the news. people have followed every detail of the case. you hear these names. these people are coming out. maybe there's something going on. on the other side of it, why is it he has gotten a lot of chances, a lot of appeals, a lot of stoppages of executions. each time he has lost. in the legal system and continues to move forward. people say, well, he keeps losing. >> because they haven't engaged the facts. they haven't given him a new trial. these are appeals of procedural aspect. they have different standards that aren't the same standards at trial. what we know is that the d.a. has said that, if he brought the case today, he couldn't seek the death penalty because there's not enough there. when 7 out of 9 people recant, when there's no physical evidence that links him to the case, then what you have today is absolutely insufficient. 7 out of 9 people lied 20 years ago. >> that

that our government is doing right now and you know the conservative flat tax people you know the bob barr's of the bill they're saying that the flat tax is going to have to be somewhere between one thousand and twenty seven percent so that's more than fifteen percent i still wrong guy why he took capital i've heard that number as well but still think you know capital gains is fifteen percent so you still think the billionaires who are paris hilton should pay less money ok if the federal government takes money takes a higher percentage of income from americans even if they're billionaires that's not going to go to poor people it's going to go to the federal government to be squandered on programs that waste money you look throughout the federal government and mitt romney mentioned this there are forty seven programs federal programs that are in place to retrain people to go to work and mitt romney wants to devolve that to the states not have all the redundancies tom coburn's put out some great reports about redundancy in the federal government we need to get rid of that in our federal govern

right wing congressman, bob barr, former prosecutor for georgia says stop and so many others. yet we push on blindly not knowing amid so much doubt whether we're doing the right thing or not. it is terrifying. all we had to do was see the sentence commuted to life without the possibility of parole and the family would know that -- one family would know things could be reversed and we finally got the new trial we had been fighting for and the other family would know this man who had been convicted would not be on the streets barring his innocence proved in court. now, we have done something which cannot be revoked. we have killed a man. amid a pile of doubt. >> ben jealous, unequivocally, do you think the state of georgia put an innocent man to death tonight? >> absolutely. absolutely. i have looked at this case for 15 years, reviewed thousands of cases in that period. i have never seen a case like this. i sat with a woman today on cnn who was terrified for her life just a few months ago, fleed savannah, georgia, because a few years ago, the man who many say is the actual kille

when right wing congressman bob barr, former prosecutor for georgia says stop. and so many others. that yet we just push on blindly, not knowing amid so much doubt whether we're doing the right thing or not. and it is terrifying. all we had to do was to see this sentence commute today life without the possibility of parole. and the family would know that -- one family would know that things could be reversed, the truth finally was -- we finally got the new trial that we had been fighting for. the other family would know that this man who had been convicted would not be on the streets barring his innocence being proved in court. but now we have done something which cannot be revoked. c we have killed a man amid just a pile of doubt. >> ben jealous, unequivocally do you think that state of georgia put an innocent man to death tonight. >> absolutely. absolutely. i worked on this case for 15 years, reviewed thousands of cases in that period. i have never seen a case like this. i sat with a woman today on cnn who was terrified for her life. just a few months ago fleed savannah, georgia

i am backed up by former fbi director and former congressman, bob barr.es like george w. bush is on troy davis's side and former president jimmy carter that. judge got it wrong. he said in his written statement that he saw doubt in the case. that is enough. >> republicans, democrats and people described as liberals who are coming in this case, we will see what happens. we will have more on this as so many other people have been following and keep our audience up to date. great seeing you. >> good to see you too. >> for mer on the story, be sure to watch politics nation with al sharpton. we will talk to one of the minsters leading the charge to save troy davis at 6:00 p.m. only on msnbc. a grim discovery tops our looks. police found human remains not far from where a mother of two was seen. susan powell was last seen two years ago and her husband remains a person of interest in the case. the fbi reportedly paid out a $2 million reward to an unidentified woman whose tip led to the capture of james whitey bulger who was connected to 19 murders in the chicago

from jimmy cartory bob barr. troy davis has been hours away from execution three times.s now one week away from his fourth execution date. gary tuchman, cnn, savannah george. >> we're joined by jeffrey toobin. what do you make of this? >> it's a hard case. this legal saga has been extraordinary. the supreme court, the only time i've heard of it, ordered a federal district court, to hold a new hearing in this case in 2010, last year, and the judge in that case had two days of hearings and wrote 170-page opinion saying that the seven of the -- of the seven witness we heard who recanted, it was immaterial. that all but one of them were insignificant witnesses. and the one wasn't even believable at the time he testified in the first place. so he discounted all of the arguments that have been made over the years. and ordered -- said that davis was guilty. but, in a case with no dna and in a case with just based on eyewitness testimony, with this much uncertainty, it's really a chilling thought to think he may be executed. >> do you think it could be postponed again? >> you kn

when bob barr, former prosecutor for georgia said stop.s, yet we just push on blindly not knowing, you know, amid so much doubt of whether we are doing the right thing or not. and it is terrifying. all we had to do was just sentence him to life without possibility of parole and the family would know that, you know, that -- one family would know that things could be reversed, truth finally -- we find out that the new trial we had been fighting for. and the other family would know that man convicted would not be on streets, barring innocence proved in court. but now we have something that cannot be revoked. we have killed a man amid a pile of doubt. >> ben jealous, unequivocally, do you think that state of georgia put an innocent man to death tonight? >> absolutely. i have been looking at this case for 15 years. i reviewed thousands of cases in that period. i have never seen a case like this. i sat with a woman today on cnn who is terrified for her life, just a few months ago, fleed savannah, georgia because a few years ago the man who many

last night republican congressman bob barr was on with me.aacp, john lewis, former president jimmy carter. you've written about it. what is the reality? do you think the board then, georgia, will listen to this? >> no, i don't, reverend al. i wish that i had high hopes for a clemency ruling from the georgia board of pardons and paroles, but i don't. i think that many, many georgia authorities, particularly those in the criminal justice system, are heavily invested in the idea that they did it right the first time. unfortunately, that's a very typical attitude from criminal justice officials. i don't think they are deliberately looking the other way or trying to send an innocent man to his death, but they don't -- they are in denial. they don't want to admit that they may have made a mistake, and the georgia board of pardons and patrols -- and paroles is also part of that system. if they did in the beginning what troy davis' sister did in that video, it would have been obvious that that witness could not have seen what she said she saw. you kn

from jimmy carter to bob barr. troy davis has been hours away from execution three times.k away from his fourth execution date. gary tuchman, cnn, savannah george. >> we're joined by jeffrey toobin, who has been following the case for years. what do you make of this? >> it's a hard case. this legal saga has been extraordinary. the supreme court, the only time i've heard of it, ordered a federal district court to hold a new hearing in this case in 2010, just last year, and the judge in that case had two days of hearings and wrote 170-page opinion saying that the seven of the -- of the seven witness we have heard about who recanted, it was immaterial, that all but one of them were insignificant witnesses. and the one wasn't even believable at the time he testified in the first place. so he discounted all of the arguments that have been made over the years. and ordered -- said that davis was guilty. but in a case with no dna and in a case with -- just based on eyewitness testimony, with this much uncertainty, it's really a chilling thought to think he may be executed. >> do y

former governor of texas who himself executed 22 people and was an attorney general in that state, bob barr georgia, these are pro death penalty people who are saying there's just too much doubt in this case that there shouldn't be an execution. >> so the argument is that the other guy involved in beating up that homeless person somehow got a gun. that gun that had the same ballistic evidence left behind as apparently the guy who was convicted of this crime, somehow got ahold of the gun and he did the shooting. is that the theory of the crime in. >> no, no, no. the theory is a s that there was a man named red coles. he was there and the first person who came forward to the police, and he said troy davis did it because he knew troy was at the scene. >> i thought they were both involved in beating up the homeless guy. >> well, it's not clear. that's an allegation, but the point is that davis said he came upon coles beating up the guy, and coles is saying the opposite. >> oh, okay. >> but there are no credible eyewitnesses. >> what's your theory of the other guy having the gun? i'm trying to f

>> i'm against capital punishment, but bob barr is for it and he came on "politics nation" last week me and said he's against this execution, even though he disagrees with me on the death penalty. >> let's keep an eye on this case. i do respect your vigilance on this matter. >> thank you. >> thank you. the reverend al sharpton, his follows mine, "politics nation" is doing very well at 6:00 eastern here on msnbc. >>> up next, just what president obama doesn't need, a new book portraying the obama white house as a disorganized mess and even hostile -- throw this one in -- hostile toward women. and now some members of the administration are pushing back. they have to, don't they? this is "hardball." ♪ [ male announcer ] you never know when a moment might turn into something more. and when it does men with erectile dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment's right. ♪ [ man ] tell your doctor about all your medical condition

>> i'm against capital punishment, but bob barr is for it and he came on "politics nation" last week said he's against this execution, even though he disagrees with me on the death penalty. >> let's keep an eye on this case. i do respect your vigilance on this matter. >> thank you. >> thank you. the reverend al sharpton, his follows mine, "politics nation" is doing very well at 6:00 eastern here on msnbc. >>> up next, just what president obama doesn't need, a new book portraying the obama white house as a disorganized mess and even hostile -- throw this one in -- hostile toward women. and now some members of the administration are pushing back. they have to, don't they? this is "hardball." i know you're worried about making your savings last and having enough income when you retire. that's why i'm here -- to help come up with a plan and get you on the right path. i have more than a thousand fidelity experts working with me so that i can work one-on-one with you. it's your green line. but i'll be there every step of the way. call or come in and talk with us today. ♪ on a beach? on a m

forward and say, stay this execution, you can have former republican congressman and prosecutor bob barrsay, stay this execution. you can have six former death row inmates, including dr. alt, the former ward of this prison, come forward and say, stay this execution, not to mention a million people, more than a million people around the world signing letters and petitions saying, stay this execution, and yet, our nation, our nation's highest court still lets this go forward, it's a very sad day for our country. it's a day really probably history will show to be a game changer. a day where, one day, people who thought they supported the death penalty woke up the next day and questioned how they could support it any longer. but right now there's a very specific tragedy happening. i mean, what we understand here in georgia is that they will go forward. it hasn't been confirmed, we can't see inside of death row, but that certainly is the mood here, the expectation here, that they're preparing in there to ask guards to hold down the left leg and the right leg, the left arm, and the left arm, a

anytime jimmy carter and bob barr are on the same side of an issue, we need to pay attention. >> last know that people have their doubts, you certainly have yours. but will you acknowledge that there is a possibility that he he is guilty? >> i think troy davis is innocent. i've met with him a couple of occasions on death row. he's maintained his innocence throughout these years. but the issue really is, is he guilty? that's the question wihen you'r talking about executing a man. i think there's entirely too much doubt. we're better than this. people all over the world are watching georgia. it it's not only troy davis' life that hangs in the balance but our name. because if the state executes him, they execute him in our name. we're saying, save had his life and spare our good name. >> reverend warnock, always good to had have you. thank you. we'll be following this story throughout the weekend here. >>> up next -- a side of the story maybe you don't hear a lot of or maybe enough of. like reverend warnock was mentioning, there is another young man here still to be talked about, a young

high profile individual, including former democrat president jimmy carter and former congressman bob barr voiced their concerns whether the state of georgia is about to execute the wrong man. >> there will never be any closure, i can't, because mark is gone and that hole in my heart will be there until the day i die. but it may give me some piece and quiet, that is really what i would like to have. >> reporter: and troy davis is scheduled to die by lethal injection wednesday at 7:00pm. megyn: thank you. we also have a developing story in detroit where gm has reached a tentative new labor deal with the united autoworkers, according to reports. the associated press reporting that the four-year contract includes higher entry level pay, a sweeter prove it sharing plan for the union workers and a $5,000 signing bonus. some analysts say that is good news, since the union was reportedly hoping to land bonuses of up to 10,000 a worker. stu varney is with the fox business network and the host of varney & company. the signing bonus goes to people who already have jobs? >> reporter: the signing bonu

each other, ranging from former president jimmy carter to conservative former georgia congressman bob barraway from execution three times. he's now one week away from his fourth execution date. >>> gary tuchman, cnn, savannah, georgia. >>> troy davis is scheduled to be executed next wednesday, september 21st. >>> switching gears here. folks are buzzing after a mystery light appears in the sky. here it is. is it an asteroid or a plane or close encounter? chad myers, as always, all over this one. that is next. >>> but first, want to share this report out today. ranks the most economically powerful cities around the world. the outputs of $400 billion each year. did any cities make the cut? the top five. paris coming in at fourth. chicago, taking the number three spot in the most economically powerful cities here, london. what other cities cracked the top two. that's after the break. >>> newly released report ranking the most economically powerful cities. what are the top two? taking the number 2 spot, new york city with an economic outpit of $1.1 trillion. the number one city is, what is it?

people like bob barr and jimmy carter on opposite sides of the political spectrum are against his deathentence. and there's just too much doubt. there's too much reasonable doubt. and so we feel like this is the last sort of place where you can appeal to clemency. and we got involved because we feel like we couldn't be silent about it. >> well, as you've looked at all of the information over the two decades, right, that had has -- >> right. >> do you think he's innocent? >> i don't want to say that. i feel in my heart from hearing what people say, i feel that he is. but i also don't know every little detail of the case. my position is because i think our justice system is fallible. and i have looked at the evidence and said, there's reasonable doubt here. and with so many witnesses recanting, and people on the jury even changing their minds after the fact. i feel like, you know this is one case where if i was having to decide, i couldn't -- even if i was for the death penalty, i couldn't do that and have like a clean -- a clear conscience about it. >> what are you going to do up to the

host: bob barr wrote about this.concluded when he wrote about anti-bullying situation saying it is legislation run amok again. is that a fair conclusion? guest: it is a very complex problem. there are a variety of social marketing campaigns that are being developed. i talk with out -- at councils that are getting ready to launch a national campaigns. there are ready ever purchase that happen coming out of the school building and policy level. we're trying to address this from a variety of different angles. it is going to be in a board next up to see how these policies are rolled out in the schools. i see variation, even in the state of maryland, to the state of which there implemented. some states took this to heart, and then they have incidents that are reported on the web. in other states they held back and did not rule it out as much. i think the truth will be based on how these policies are implemented and the ability to which we're able to document the impact they're having on students. host: the policies deal w

. >> host: representative bob barr -- when he talked about antibullying legislation, he said the state run amuck again. is that a fair assessment? >> guest: i think this is a very challenging situation. it's going to take a lot of partners for us be able to able to work out of this. it's not going to be a simple policy but there's a variety of social marketing campaigns that are really being developed. i talked with the ad council and other groups that are getting ready to launch some national campaigns. there are a variety of approaches that have been coming out both on the school building as well as at the policy level and we're trying to address this from a variety of angles. i think it's going to be an important next step to see how these policies are rolled out in the schools. ..led out in the schools. i see variation, even in the state of maryland, to the state of which there implemented. some states took this to heart, and then they have incidents that are reported on the web. in other states they held back and did not rule it out as much. i think the truth will be based on how

host: bob barr wrote about this. he concluded when he wrote about anti-bullying situation saying it is legislation run amok again. is that a fair conclusion? guest: it is a very complex problem. there are a variety of social marketing campaigns that are being developed. i talk with out -- at councils that are getting ready to launch a national campaigns. there are ready ever purchase that happen coming out of the school building and policy level. we're trying to address this from a variety of different angles. it is going to be in a board next up to see how these policies are rolled out in the schools. i see variation, even in the state of maryland, to the state of which there implemented. some states took this to heart, and then they have incidents that are reported on the web. in other states they held back and did not rule it out as much. i think the truth will be based on how these policies are implemented and the ability to which we're able to document the impact they're having on students. host: the policies de

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