. >> with me now bob bauer, former white house counsel of barack obama and steve schmidt. bob, the thing that unites all that to me, just the amazon attacks this morning and the stuff we're talking about, mar-a-lago, is how unlawyered this whole universe seems to be to me. no one is ever checking with the lawyers. the president is not checking with the lawyers. is this okay? is it appropriate? does it, possess us to some sort of legal risk. >> i'm not sure it's not being checked with lawyers. i'm just not certain he is listening to what his lawyers have to say. they may have given up giving advice he is not going to heed. he has taken an understanding of his role and his relationship to lawyers out of one world he has known for five, six decades of adult life and he is bringing it into a world that does not apply. he is bringing a certain kind of business ethic that he has develop and it worked for him. he is transposing it into the white house. and he is obviously dealing with lawyers who have to either fend for that, fend with that or fight that off, probably unsuccessful

i will talk to former harvard law professor alan dershowitz and bob bauer. >>> also, presidential reset. mr. trump feeling freer to follow his own instincts abroad. >> let the other people take care of it now. >> at home, firing his secretary of veterans affairs david shulkin. this morning, i ask shulkin what he thinks is the real reason he was fired. >>> roseanne's ratings. >> look at roads -- roseanne. look at her ratings. >> what does the successful reboot of roseanne tell us about the disconnect between hollywood the coast and the rest of america? joining me for insight and analysis are george will, danielle pletka, joshua johnson, and political analyst elise jordan. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning and happy easter. it's not exactly a new cold war, but there's no denying that relations between the u.s. and russia are clearly at a low ebb. in just the past few weeks the u.s. and britain accused russia with the poisoning

and bob bauer, a former white house counsel to president obama. welcome to both of you. on this spring holiday season. mr. dershowitz, i want to pick up on something we learned this week from a "new york times" report, the now former lawyer to the president -- lead lawyer, john dowd, who ended up resigning last week, there were reports he talked of pardons, potential pardons with the attorneys of michael flynn and paul manafort. if that pardon was dangled out there in your opinion, could that be used in an obstruction of justice case? >> look, i think there are three categories of cases being investigated. the first and most important are constitutionally authorized acts by the president which include pardoning, offering pardons, firing, directing the prosecution. if he were to be charged or impeached for any of those acts, that would be a real constitutional conflict. we would have arguments on both sides, constitutionally. the second category are private acts that preceded his presidency, allegations by women that may require him to testify. his business relations. he

i will talk to former harvard law professor alen dershowitz and bob bauer. presidential reset. mr. trump feeling freer to follow his own instincts.

i will talk to former harvard law professor alan dershowitz and bob bauer. >>> also, presidential reset

chuck talks about the presidential reset with former veterans affairs secretary david schulkin and bob bauer. >>> pope francis presided over an easter sunday mass this morning at the vatican. tens of thousands packed st. peter's square to hear the pope deliver his message calling for peace on the korean peninsula and a swift end to the carnage in syria among other things. the pope tweeting right before the mass, our faith is born on easter morning. >>> two people are dead after their plane crashed in california. the small two-seater which apparently was homemade crashed into a shed just about a mile away from the santa paula airport. the faa is investigating what caused that plane to go down. >>> officials in hawaii are deciding whether to reopen a popular beach today, a day after a paddleboarder was attacked by a shark about 100 to 150 yards off shore of the big island. the 25-year-old man was airlifted to a nearby hospital to be treated for the bites to his hand and his leg. he reportedly is in critical condition. the beach was shut down immediately. >>> there are now two teams left in the