we have a former white house counsel bob bauer, he's here to break this down. bob, thank you for being here. i read your "new york times" op-ed, i had known who you were and followed you in the past and that was going to be the show tonig tonight. little did we know there would be so much context to have this conversation so the headline of the president being worried, do you believe he has good worry or better reason than he's had up to now to worry the democrats could make a move on him? >> he has a continuing worry and i think a mounting worry and i want to say it's a worry that wouldn't be grounded, i don't think, rationally in the democrats doing whatever is politically expedient. it's because his behavior is bringing him squarely within the law and precedents that would in effect point in the direction of a impeachment inquiry. >> make the case. i'm going to test the case. obstruction of justice is obviously where you put your cross hairs in your op-ed. it's not a topic we discuss much beyond his actions about flynn and comey. make your case point by point

bob bauer, thank you for taking time tonight. >> pleasure. thank you. >> nick ackerman, special assistant in watergate and retired federal judge nancy, harvard law school. nancy, let me start with you. on the question of the president of the united states, this person saying who pledged he wouldn't testify against me on his guts, this other is weak. he should go to jail. his wife should go to jail. and his father-in-law should go to jail. >> right. first of all, that certainly could look like witness tampering as george conway was saying. but again, we are now -- maybe the best way to keep on looking at this is to look at it in terms of the articles of impeachment against nixon. >> right. >> would this be sufficiently -- whatever the ambiguities of the law, this is coming close to manipulating the testimony. and if you add to that, basically dangling a pardon to anyone, it would also vitiate in my view a pardon 0 coming down the pike. in other words, if he put it in the context of who was doing what for him, that would raise some interesting

. >> bob bauer, thanks for bringing expertise on how the office works. it's good to have that. coming up, is beto o'rourke going to run for president? wait until you hear this, because today he sounded like a candidate. that's next. sometimes a cough gets in the way of a good night's sleep. that's when he needs vicks vaporub. proven cough medicine. with 8 hours of vapors, so he can sleep. vicks vaporub. goodnight coughs. so shark invented duo clean. while deep cleaning carpets, the added soft brush roll picks up large particles, gives floors a polished look, and fearlessly devours piles. duo clean technology, corded and cord-free. >>> well, in tonight's 2020 vision, if democratic donors and of peratives are still waiting r beto, they may not have to wait much longer. he sounds like one who thought about what it might be like to run against president trump. take a listen. >> whoever is running may very well be running against somebody who has not the slightest respect for our norms, our traditio traditions, our institutions, civility, decency in public life. where you can say an