guest: bob bauer, white house counsel for barack obama and di who worked in the george w. bush , who worked in the george w. bush presidency, we've met to talk about that book. we were talking about all the issues trump had raised about the gaps in presidential accountability, norms that weren't working, and it occurred to us that after trump left office, there was going to be a complete re-examination of the accountability structures for the presidency akin to what happened after vietnam, watergate and the church commission. project,f to do that to write a book that wade outlined the areas where we thought reform was necessary -- the areas outline where we thought reform was necessary. host: what are the leading areas of reform you want the country to focus on? guest: the top three or four things we think are both go tole and important basically trumps corruption of the office and conflicts of interest. tax disclosure, things like mixing personal business with of thebusiness, some reforms about relationships between the white house and the justice department. there needs

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guest: bob bauer, white house counsel for barack obama and di who worked in the george w., who worked in the george w. bush presidency, we've met to talk about that book. we were talking about all the issues trump had raised about the gaps in presidential accountability, norms that weren't working, and it occurred to us that after trump left office, there was going to be a complete re-examination of the accountability structures for the presidency akin to what happened after vietnam, watergate and the church commission. project,f to do that to write a book that wade outlined the areas where we thought reform was necessary -- the areas outline where we thought reform was necessary. host: what are the leading areas of reform you want the country to focus on? guest: the top three or four things we think are both go tole and important basically trumps corruption of the office and conflicts of interest. tax disclosure, things like mixing personal business with of thebusiness, some reforms about relationships between the white house and the justice department. there needs to be

joe biden has bob bauer, who is going to be the chair of that, some other law professors have alreadyill probably be a group, they don't know how many will be on it yet, a dozen, maybe 15, who will consider a lot of things about the judiciary, including expanding the united states supreme court. chuck schumer wasn't eager to talk about that and was able to say to rachel quite honestly he will wait the six months or so it takes for that group to issue a report. what do you expect to be in a report like that? can we tell at this stage on the question of expanding the size of the supreme court? >> we don't know, as you said, even really who's on the commission. i think we know that at least one person, caroline frederickson, who's on the commission, has spoken positively about court expansion. we also know that bob bauer himself has talked about maybe term limits or other forms of serious court reform. so, i don't know. we may just get a kind of huge wish list of the 52 things you can do, jurisdiction stripping and term limits and all the other things you can do without a laser focus on

useful sort of book of recommendations put out by my former colleague jack goldsmith at harvard and bob bauer who used to be a counsel to president obama coming together saying and light of what happened here are a number of recommendations for change to make sure that these kinds of excesses by the president see don't happen again. one of the revered people in republican circles is senator jack danforth you know you know the senator i know the senator he was ambassador to the united nations as well during the george w. bush administration a minister and he said that meant touring senator josh holly of missouri was one of the one of the biggest mistakes the biggest mistake of his political life what do you think should be done with senator holly senator ted cruz these people that fed the flames of tao in this election. well you know of course one of the really most bizarre engine fame's in addition to seeing senator holly. go out and insists that he continued to want to. vote on decertification was to see him go out and raise his fist in solidarity with those who had attacked the capitol now

guest: bob bauer, white house counsel for barack obama and di who worked in the george w.o worked in the george w. bush presidency, we've met to talk about that book. we were talking about all the issues trump had raised about the gaps in presidential accountability, norms that weren't working, and it occurred to us that after trump left office, there was going to be a complete re-examination of the accountability structures for the presidency akin to what happened after vietnam, watergate and the church commission. project,f to do that to write a book that wade outlined the areas where we thought reform was necessary -- the areas outline where we thought reform was necessary. host: what are the leading areas of reform you want the country to focus on? guest: the top three or four things we think are both go tole and important basically trumps corruption of the office and conflicts of interest. tax disclosure, things like mixing personal business with of thebusiness, some reforms about relationships between the white house and the justice department. there needs to be stat

biden campaign lawyer bob bauer said the call "captures theol wh disgraceful story about donald trump'sault on american democracy."eo with the gia u.s. senate runoff elections scheduled for tomorrow, both biden and trump went to the state today. at a rally in atlanta, biden attack president trump's response to the pandem. president-elect biden: the president spends more timean whinincomplaining than doing something about the problem. i don't know whye still wants the job. he doesn't want to do the work. yamiche: at the capital, congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming, the number republican in the house, spoke out. troubling."the fungal "deeply house democrats urged the f-b-i to open a criminal investigation into the president's actions. democratic caucus chair hakeemri je of new york. the voters have spok, the electoral college has spoken, the courts have spoken. joe biden will be the next of america, notwiting thetates delusional fantasies of some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. yamiche: he was alluding toic repu senators who say they will object to the certification of th

but yesterday, bob bauer, a senior biden advise eput out a statement where he said we now have irrefutable proof of president trump's attempt to pressure a state elections official to overturn the election. bauer said it captures the whole disgraceful story of trump's assault on our democracy. but to your point, in 16 days, joe biden will inherit not just a cratering economy, a pandemic spiraling out of control, not just a vaccination effort that needs to be fixed. layered on top of it is this lie pushed by the president and parrotted by his republican allies and the conservative media establishment that joe biden is somehow not a legitimate president. that is not true, but it will potentially make it harder for him to govern and certainly make it harder for him to get buy-in to this 100-day plan he's pushing to combat the covid crisis. he wants everyone american to wear a mask for 100 days. he wants every american to get vaccinated. the shots are such that you don't have to get one shot. you have to get two. imagine how much more difficult that makes it when you have potentially millions

biden campaign lawyer bob bauer said the call "captures the whole, disgreful story about donald trump's assault on american democracy."he with teorgia u.s. senate runoff elections schuled for tomorrow, both biden and trump nt to the state today. at a rally in atlanta, biden attacked president trump's response to the pandemic: >> the president spends more time whining and complainin than doing something about the problem. w i don't kn he still wants the job. anhe doesn'tto do the work. >> alcindor: congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming, the number three republican in the house, spoke out. she called the phone call" deeply troubling." house democrats urged the f.b.il to open a crimnvestigation into the president's actions. democrat caucus chair hakeem jeffries of new york: >> the voters have spoken. th okectoral college has spoken. the courts have . joe biden will be the nenext presof the united states of america, notwithstanding than delusional fsies of some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. >> alcindor: he was alluding to republican senators who say they will object to the

biden's senior adviser, bob bauer, released a statement, saying, "we now have irrefutable proof of adent pressuring and threatening an official of his own party to get him to rescind a state's lawful, certified vote count and fabricate another in its place. it captures the whole, disgraceful story about donald trump's assault on american democracy." joining us now is national political reporter at the "washington post," amy gardner. she is the one who broke the story and is the reason that all of us know that this is what the president is saying. amy, it's great to see you. thank you so much for getting up early to chat with us about this. >> thanks, kasie. good to see you. >> what can you tell us about -- and i realize, obviously, we're all very careful about our sources and methods and reporting. but i mean, this is just an extraordinary moment for our country and an extraordinary piece of reporting. what can you tell us about the backstory of how this came to be and what your sort of top, having listened to it over and over and writing this story, what are your top takeaways here?

we have gotten some strong reaction, both from bob bauer, a top lawyer for the biden team.ry of donald trump's assault on democracy, as he put it. we also heard from vice president-elect kamala harris, also on the campaign trail here in georgia. take a listen to what she had to say. >> have y'all heard about the recorded conversation? it was a bold-faced, bold abuse of power by the president of the united states. >> reporter: based on his tweets, yasmin, i think we can bet that donald trump will certainly raise this when he comes here to georgia to campaign tonight. think about where we're going to see the candidates. i think it says everything about the political strategy at this point. donald trump, about 90 miles north of here in a deeply, deeply republican part of the state. he needs to make sure that the turnout among his base conservatives really does catch up with the early head start that democrats have in early voting. biden here to try to make sure we don't see what we saw in so many states during the fall campaign heading into november, which was really good numb

as people in politics know, bob bauer, premier election lawyer, he's somebody who understands the theorytion law and at the academic level, he's been general counsel for presidential campaigns in way ginsberg has been on the republican side. bob has seen a lot of stuff. i think what he puts his finishing own there is that this tape pulls together a unified picture something we had evidence of, something we had pest of the puzzle before, but it just brings in one hour it paints the perfect and i say perfect in sense of perfectly clear picture of everything about what we know, we thought we believed and seen threw a glass what donald trump was capable of, what he was willing to do and how little respect he has for the basic precepts for how elections are to work. >> thank you all for stick around for longer than i know we asked to you. i wanted to talk to all of you since this story first broke in the "washington post". as we've been saying we're moments away from joe biden's rally in georgia. we'll listen in to what he has to say. its his first public comments after trump's hour long phon

bob bauer is going to be on and co-chair.onstitution society. jack goldsmith is going to be on this committee. we will see if they come up with a way to reform the government. i'm curious why does the supreme court decide if the presidency needs to be reorganized? going to be war among the branches? to me it's so out of line it's ridiculous. steve: what's interesting about that list and you gave some of the names. bob borrow was joe biden's co-campaign chairman. so for him to be on that, that says a lot about how much influence from bauer is going to have over the process. brian: jillian mele has big influence on what she reads when it comes to the news. hey, jillian. jillian: let's begin with this. update on a story we brought you earlier this week. a man now charged with three felonies in the shooting of a houston deputy. police say martinez shot the deputy multiple times. court documents show martinez is a convicted felon out of jail on multiple bonds at the time of the shooting. the injured deputy was responding to a repo