bob bauer, former legal counsel to the obama campaigns and biden campaign, mr. bauer has returned from wisconsin where he and republican superlawyer ben ginsberg have been lining up pro bono legal defense for election workers who as one of the consequences of this election revision they're doing in that state, election workers are facing now what bauer calls, quote, baseless personal attacks for doing their jobs. joining us now is bob bauer, former white house counsel, senior adviser to president biden's campaign, now law professor at nyu. nice to see you. thanks for making time. >> a pleasure to be here. thank you. >> what's the relationship between this now apparently indefinitely extended review, this partisan revision that republicans are doing in wisconsin, and the kinds of threats to election workers that you and mr. ginsburg have set about trying to help people defend themselves from? >> yes, the audit is one of the tools in the current tool kit for intimidating and harassing election officials. these are not professional audits. in wisconsin, the asumbly

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i organized yesterday's event with the senator and ben ginsburg and bob bauer from our obama white house very core of our democracy. wisconsin is a state, for example, that has very well-run elections. they have a tradition that goes back decades of nonpartisan election administration. they have paper ballots that are auditable throughout the state. they, in fact, audit those ballots regularly. they had more preelection litigation than ever before to clarify the rules. all of the rule changes that might have come about because of covid were done out in the open, and everyone knew about them and could challenge them if they wanted to. and they had more post-election litigation to confirm the results than ever before. in fact, there was a trump-appointed federal judge in wisconsin that ruled against president trump on the merits. found no merits to his claim of election fraud. in fact, president trump had the right to a full recount of the state -- that's under wisconsin law -- and he chose not to do that. and in fact, all the legislators that are now attacking election officials around th