bob bennett -- senator bennett and i have jointly represented the state of utah for many years. we're close. during that time we've worked together as partners and collaborators but most of all as good friends. bob's presence in the senate is going to be sorely missed. senator bennett is a lot of things. he's honest, he's thoughtful, he's knowledgeable, and more than anything else, senator bennett is a fighter for the people of utah. bob has served with unwavering devotion to our state, its people, and its interests, and their interests. throughout his 18 years in the senate, the state of utah has been foremost in bob's thoughts and i don't believe he's made a single decision that he didn't believe was in the best interests of our state and of our nation. senator bennett is the son of frances and wallace f. bennett. wallace f. ben knelt, we should all remember, was also a great u.s. senator from utah who served four terms between 1951 and 1974. i think that's accurate. bob is also the grand son of hubert j. grant, a past president of the latter day saints. he was elected student

i think bob bennett should have been re-elected. he's a fine man. n the other hand, i'm not bob, and i'm a lot tougher and i'm actually more conservative, by quite a measure. but be that as it may, i'm also one who has been known to bring both sides together and to get things done. but i've always done it on a more conservative basis and i think even with senator kennedy, you know, he would have to come all the way across the center, to the center-right. he loved it, because he'd got all the credit, i'd get all the blame by the conservatives, but we got a lot done that really does work in america. and i think you've got to have people in the congress who are capable of doing that, and i can do it. all i can say, it's up to my folks in utah with what they want to do, i'll do whatever say, but i intend to run and i intend to run. >> senator orrin hatch, who's moving over to finance, should be a fascinating, not just lame-duck congress, but the next congress as well. thanks for joining us. >> nice to be with you. >>> coming up, what are americans willin

he just saw his fellow utah longtime republican bob bennett get ousted in the republican primary by teaups. a spoke to somebody from tea party express, weighed in big time in the republican primaries and they said they -- they didn't give me a list -- but watch out for some republicans we may come after you in 2012 like we did in 2010. >> have they sorted out the leadership issues on the democratic side from the house from the number one democrat, who will be the number two, now talking about a number three democrat? did they work all of this out? >> they may have. some brand new reporting late last night by dana bash, senior congressional correspondent, on what's go throng. what's the problem? well, the democrats are in the minority in the house. they lose the speakership. it's like musical chairs. they just lost a job. nancy pelosi is going for the minority leader that means everybody else bumps down one. the problem, you had steny hoyer of maryland, current majority leader, and jim clyburn, democrat from south carolina, who is the whip, going for the same job, number two job under pe

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remarkable thing was this run of tea party folks going up against even conservative republicans like bob bennette the primary, in alaska they unseated lisa murkowsk with joe miller. that seat perhaps is in jeopardy. ken buck in colorado unseated a former lieutenant governor who was considered a favorite to beat the democrat, michael bennet. at the same time the tea party folks may be costing the republicans the senate they have sent a clear warning to the republicans we are not in your pocket, this is not labor and the democratic party, we don't like you guys spending any more than we do the democrats and that's a source of real conflict next year in washington. >> couric: nancy cordes, how have the tea party candidates fared in the house of representatives? there were seven running in the senate, a heck of a lot more in the house, well over 100. >> reporter: that's right, katie, a number of republicans who jumped on this tea party bandwagon, where the energy was, endorsed by tea party groups. so far tonight 10 republicans who affiliate themselves with the tea party have won just in the competit

establishment-backed candidates including in utah where he sided against three- term incumbent bob bennett. when we spoke to bennett shortly after he lost his re-election bid last may, he warned that the tea party energy would take republicans only so far. >> yes, we benefit from the sense of anger and the sense of helplessness and disenfranchisement that this movement demonstrates. but (sighing) we must recognize that anger is not a sound strategy for governing and that once you are in office you have to have some solutions. >> woodruff: exit polls last week showed 40% of voters expressed some level of support for the tea party, a sign the movement and its agenda has some wind at its back. republican senator-elect mike lee ran as a tea >> woodruff: republican senator- elect mike lee ran as a tea party candidate in utah, and he joins us now from salt lake city. first of all, congratulations. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> woodruff: and you. my first question is, how will you be able to work with senator mitch mcconnell, the minority leader, since he was working for your opponent in

but ron wyden worked for five years with bob bennett and attracted about a republicans to a plant that is not our different in many respects from i would've favored it to what eventually got passed. but it is dramatically different from what the republicans are prepared to do now in health care. by the way, included a mandate among many other things and substantial subsidies for individuals low-income households. but mitch pulled the plug and he said you're all off this bill. before rama was inaugurated because word on the go shooting over health care. because even if we turned it into a bill more toward liking, obama and the democrats would give credit and we would not have the kind of political success we want. so there's less principle and more partisanship in my view. final point is many provisions of the health care begin to unroll. some have already now. and almost all of them are very popular. it shows that the broad public doesn't know much about them, including, by the way, tax credits for small businesses which have led to a really market increase in the number of insurance a

. >> and it will be difficult to see bob bennett out of utah, lisa murkowski in alaska or in delawareace an uproar in their own party. in my party, many of the moderates for obliterated. i think we can make progress on some things. tax reform. education reform. but on the big things, i think george is right. there will probably continue to be gridlock. fight it out running up to the next election. >> ultimately, the president of the united states -- i know the democrats like to say it's the republicans' fault we haven't done this. and the democrats said the same thing about president bush, in his presidency. the reason there wasn't more compromise is his fault. i think it's contingent upon president obama reaching across the aisle, in a real, creditable way, and trying to bring republicans along. he has the biggest megaphone. it's up to him to do it. >> i want to bring in amy walter. i want her to react to this. we're going to put up what president obama will be saying on "60 minutes" this evening. and also what john boehner will be saying, the next speaker of the house. >> we were so

bob bennett send is not in his 12 campaign cycle of specialize in election coverage.he is the senior elections analyst for cq "roll call." and he was cq's politics editor from 1998 up until the merger with rollcall in 2009 and has been with cq since 1981. bob is one of the sharpest political minds out there and has encyclopedic knowledge of congress and politics cq-roll call's greatest assets, prior to cq, actually, you started at cq after a stint in radio. >> abc radio. one of the finest institutions in the united states. >> as did i, but enough about michigan state. and last but not least, douglas pinkham, introduced earlier as president of the public affairs council. and the public affairs council is the leading international association for public affairs professionals, founded in 1954. it's nonpartisan, nonpolitical organization that provides training and development to the profession of public affairs. prior to joining the council, doug was vice president of the mutation for the american gas association, which is as you all know major trade association in town.

senator bob bennett lost his convention as he was running for re-election. senator lisa murkowski lost her primary although she may have won anyway. congressman bob english, all because they voted for t.a.r.p.. a number of democrats who voted for t.a.r.p. lost last night, although it's not clear that's the reason they lost. what impact, mr. duncan, do you see those who were against t.a.r.p. as having on the republican concern what impact will they have on the republican party going forward? >> >> it was a giant motivator on the republican side because it was ill con conceived and then ill carried out. there were good results in it, but it was part of the government overreaching and more deficit spending, and that energized a lot of people in this country. >> you know, look, you had 21 out of 54 blue dogs lost last night. if this was all about ideology, those blue dogs should have won, and they didn't. you know, it's too complex and too simplistic to look at a race and say, this vote. i mean, it's far more complex than that. i think there was an anger because

those republicans that want to do deals, you just have to say bob bennett. you can look down the list of others and see what was said about mike castle and others such as liz of macao's the -- lease of -- police that -- lisa urkowski.e th >> when we are talking about the work that was done in the senate, there were two or three republicans that they tried to bring in. there was not much work with the republican caucus. what they did was pick out three or four republicans that followed their philosophical base and try to work with them. that is not the kind of compromise that is partisanship. the real bipartisanship that has to be demonstrated is a bipartisan ship is one -- bipartisanship is one that is based on the reality of their positions. not simply trying to pick off one or two so you get enough votes over 60. >> that process prolonged process and made it ugly and let them say they are cutting your medicare, which created the atmosphere where democrats could proceeds.v >> the right strategy is to allow real bipartisan activity to take place and that is

bob bennett is now in his 12th campaign cycle of specialized election coverage. he is the senior elections analyst for cq/roll call. he was the cq politics editor from 1998 up until the merger with c kick -- with roll call in 2009 and has been with cq since 1981. bob is one of the sharpest political minds out there and his encyclopedic knowledge of congress and politics is one of cq/roll call's greatest assets. prior to cq, -- actually started at secure after a stint in radio? >> with abc radio. i went to the finest academic institution the united states. >> as did i. but enough against -- but enough about michigan state. [laughter] last but not least, doug pinkham. the public affairs council is a leading international association for public affairs professionals founded in 1954. it is non-partisan, non political organization that provides training and development to the profession of public affairs. prior to joining the council, doug was vice president of communications for the american gas association which is a major trade association in temporary he has autho

. >> to the senate, i personally am sad to said that bob bennett from utah did not win his primary. on the leadership thoughtful side, i think he was one of the more thoughtful senators who worked across the aisle. to be brutally honest with you, i would have difficulty telling you right now where the leadership is. i presume my former ranking member, now chairman of the budget committee, mr. conrad thinks about these issues. unfortunately, he is up in 2012. i wonder if he would decide that the farm bill is more important than the budget these next two years and he may consider that that is the opportunity to leave that area. if i sat here long enough, i could get myself in trouble by talking about various senators. i think you raise a very basic point. it is not so much the leadership in terms of economic and fiscal policy from my perspective. it is more the ability to reach across the aisle regardless of whether you have an expertise. i will show my age in terms of, i know he left under a cloud, but packwood and danforth and george mitchell and tom daschle were willing to work. >>

if that is the message they are getting -- and they are certainly being encouraged in that -- bob bennett in utah, all he did it support tarp and core rate with a democrat on health care reform and the tea party end jim demint from south carolina went after him and beat him for being bipartisan. i am not sure that is what the caller has in mind. but that's the problem. host: clinton township, maryland. darcy on the line for republicans. caller: i believe it is michigan. host: i am sorry, what did i say? caller: you said maryland. when you call it on c-span, i know it is a 30-day policy. but when the phone rings and rings and you get hung up on, it happens to me all the time, what is up with that? i do not understand how it can -- host: i think it has something to do with the phone company. but you got through today and you have an opportunity. caller: i appreciate that. i will. ok. as far as everybody -- everybody is talking about the wave coming through and get this morning on open phones everybody calls and said i am voting for a democrat. it seems to me there is some kind of bias going

senator bob bennett lost his primary running for reelection. senator murkowski lost her primary although she may have won anyway. several members were at least scared in close primary all because they voted for t.a.r.p.. a number of democrats who voted for t.a.r.p. loss last night although it is not clear that is the reason that the loss. for those who write against t.a.r.p. what impact will it have on the republican party going forward? >> it was a giant motivator on the republican side. it was ill-conceived and ill carried out. there were good results but it was part of government overreaching and big government and more deficit spending. that is energized a lot of people in this country who've never been involved before. >> in 21 of the 50 blue dogs, losing last night, if this is all about ideology, then the blue dog should have 1. but they did not. it is too complex and too simplistic to look at race and say, this vote. it is far more complex. there was an anger because this economy, people are hurting. more and more americans are hurting.

bob bennett. and who lost his seat in the republican convention in utah, yet for two cents, one was voting for t.a.r.p.. the other was simply so co-sponsoring with ron white and rob oregon. you can see what was said about mike castle, lisa murkowski, she'll be back. look what it took. anyway, i think it's simply enough. i've talked to so many tea party members. they don't want to see compromise. granted, they are not totally in challenge. i think they are oversized influence over the republican party right now. >> let's remember when we were talking about the work that was known senate, basically the democrats tried to pick off two or three republicans. you know, they worked with them and tried to bring them in. there was not much of an effort made to try to work with the totally where the philosophical issues come to mind. they picked out three or four republicans that they thought shared closest to their philosophical base and tried to work with them. that's not the kind of compromise that ends

they all watched very closely what happened to bob bennett, li-sao rakowski, and many of them do not have write-in provisions in their states. they are going to be very cognizant of the fact that if this turns out to be a couple of years with a cooperate -- where they cooperate, that may spell real trouble for them. i think you are going to see -- warren hatch is not going to talk much about ted kennedy. ain't nobody going to get to my right this time around. i think you will see that magnet pulling them away from cooperation. >> there is a question in the back. then we can have the panel answer. >> henry paulson mentioned provincial conservatism. there is going to be a big push to repeal obamacare. would you recommend that? what form would you recommend it taking? the second question would be -- this is a divided government now, like in the u.k. >> let's take this question, too. >> frank fletcher. other than the housing market, it is not deflationary, but inflation. the trade deficit, the public deficit, influencing that. the decision is whether other countries will treat the dollar

. >> i guess to the senate, i personally am sad to say that bob bennett from utah of course didn't winhis primary, and of some of the leadership thoughtful side, i think he was one of the more thoughtful senators who worked across the aisle, and so to be brutally honest with you, i'd have difficulty telling you right now where the leadership is. i presume my former ranking member, now chairman of the house senate committee, mr. conrad thinks about these issues. unfortunately, he's up in 2012, and i wonder if he would decide the farm bill is more important than the budget in the next two years and may consider that as the opportunity to leave that area. i'm sure if i sat here long enough, i could get myself in real trouble by talking about various senators, but i think you raise a basic point. it's not so much -- i guess it's not so much the leadership in terms of economic and fiscal policy from my perspective. it's more the ability to reach across the aisle regardless of whether you have an expertise, and i'm going to show my age here in terms of i know he left under a cloud, but danfo

bob bennett. and who lost his seat in the republican convention in utah, yet for two cents, one was voting for t.a.r.p.. the other was simply so co-sponsoring with ron white and rob oregon. you can see what was said about mike castle, lisa murkowski, she'll be back. look what it took. anyway, i think it's simply enough. i've talked to so many tea party members. they don't want to see compromise. granted, they are not totally in challenge. i think they are oversized influence over the republican party right now. >> let's remember when we were talking about the work that was known senate, basically the democrats tried to pick off two or three republicans. you know, they worked with them and tried to bring them in. there was not much of an effort made to try to work with the totally where the philosophical issues come to mind. they picked out three or four republicans that they thought shared closest to their philosophical base and tried to work with them. that's not the kind of compromise that ends

people out there, including republicans like bob bennett, t.a.r.p.now have a sinister i agreed the stimulus wasn't crafted well. but in part because a vast portion of it went to tax cuts that did not generate jobs or infrastructure. many others advocated for more infrastructure. but how we not been the stimulus, the unemployed level would've been much higher. a lot of people got penalized last night for doing at least something, perhaps not perfect, but to delay the deficit. and the other thing is it's still not going to solve the entitlement problem. it's entertaining, and a playful politically, but you still got that entitlement problem. with seniors demanding more and demanding everybody to many less tax. i don't think you get there. >> i think t.a.r.p. and the stimulus demonstrate that people don't appreciate what you stop them from not having to do. that was the problem there. so we could talk about it all -- >> i voted for t.a.r.p. and i've got to say, he voted for t.a.r.p. tom coburn voted for top but. -- part back. he said he probably lost 10

. >> i guess to the senate, i personally am sad to say that bob bennett from utah of course didn't winis primary, and of some of the leadership thoughtful side, i think he was one of the more thoughtful senators who worked across the aisle, and so to be brutally honest with you, i'd have difficulty telling you right now where the leadership is. i presume my former ranking member, now chairman of the house senate committee, mr. conrad thinks about these issues. unfortunately, he's up in 2012, and i wonder if he would decide the farm bill is more important than the budget in the next two years and may consider that as the opportunity to leave that area. i'm sure if i sat here long enough, i could get myself in real trouble by talking about various senators, but i think you raise a basic point. it's not so much -- i guess it's not so much the leadership in terms of economic and fiscal policy from my perspective. it's more the ability to reach across the aisle regardless of whether you have an expertise, and i'm going to show my age here in terms of i know he left under a cloud, but danfor

and we have seen an excellent senator like bob bennett with a 93% conservative rating who can't survive the nomination process in utah. and those are only a couple of cases. many more could be cited. but we have also seen that when the voters are informed and the voters are aroused, that we are still a country which has a constituency which desires to be governed from the center, not on either extreme. and the primary elections bring out those on one side or the other. but we have the situation with senator lisa murkowski, which demonstrates the point that there's still a dominant voice in the center. senator murkowski lost her primary election, il of the principle that i mentioned a moment ago about the primaries being extremes. but then on a spectacular write-in campaign, it now appears that senator murkowski will be reelected. the first time that has happened since senator thurmond won on a write-in campaign in the 1950's. that's a pretty tough proposition. have to have the spelling right. murkowski's not the easiest name in the world to spell. notwithstanding the fact that its been

senator bob bennett lost his convention as he was running for re-election. senator lisa murkowski lost her primary although she may have won anyway. congressman bob english, all because they voted for t.a.r.p.. a number of democrats who voted for t.a.r.p. lost last night, although it's not clear that's the reason they lost. what impact, mr. duncan, do you see those who were against t.a.r.p. as having on the republican concern what impact will they have on the republican party going forward? >> >> it was a giant motivator on the republican side because it was ill con conceived and then ill carried out. there were good results in it, but it was part of the government overreaching and more deficit spending, and that energized a lot of people in this country. >> you know, look, you had 21 out of 54 blue dogs lost last night. if this was all about ideology, those blue dogs should have won, and they didn't. you know, it's too complex and too simplistic to look at a race and say, this vote. i mean, it's far more complex than that. i think there was an anger because

: curtis hubbard, we are joined also by bob cusack, the managing editor of "the hill" in washington. guest: were you surprised in this republican wave that bennett was on top now? he was obviously a political neophyte. why do you think he is on top right now? guest: i think that he had an incredibly focused campaign machine, and if any of your viewers are baseball fans, i would like it to sort of what billy bean has done with the oakland athletics. they were focused on very micro- level data. i spoke to the campaign yesterday and they were talking about some of the targeting they did, knocking five times on doors of targeted voters in republican-leaning el paso county, for example. five other counties where they would get volunteers out and knock at least three times on the doors of their targeted demographic. it is something that i think senator bennet developed in his business career, and i think he brought it over and the democrats used it in this campaign. host: curtis hubbard, what are the chances for a recount of this? guest: at this point they are not looking very good. in colorado, they are triggered based on being within one-half of 1%