joe biden people said is an idiot and overmatched and will never stop bob bourque he's not there because biden studied hard with a lot of the most leading liberal law professor and figured out what the right arguments were to beat bob bourque. he is good at applied intelligence, he wins most deefts baits he's in, he is unshackled with this debate in a way that the palin debate was problematic for him. they had to prepare him for palin by saying don't condescend her, don't come across like frank sinatra on aing very glass lounge state. you can't -- don't treat her like an idiot, don't treat her like a girl. all how you hold back. this debate is not like that. this debate i can go at this guy hard on policy and his inclination was to do that before the president's problem in denver, inclination is double that i don't mean personally, he's going to be very substantive and very much driven by numbers and policy contrasts. >> the policy issues are going to be forefrontier because for two years before romney was on the scene, obama was using the ryan budget as his foil, as the stand-in for the