leader -- as minority leader, there was a special opportunity to go across the aisle to mansfield or bob byrd and say, i know what you are doing. i am sympathetic. but that is not going to work. as long as you have enough to stop it, meeting at least 39 votes, or 44 votes, that you could stop it. both leaders have an important role in recognizing the forms of both leaders but i was first elected majority leader, first one on the floor that day, the first thing i did was go over to bob byrd. i said bob, i will never know the rules and president of the senate the way you do. i will make you a deal. i will never surprise you if you do not surprise me. he said, let me think about it began back later this afternoon and said -- and we never did. i think that tradition is carried on. dole adopted a position as well. it is a good step position, even if i did first abdicate it. the rules are set up so there is plenty of room for disagreement, plenty of room for controversy. and to do so without the framework of the organizations thinking up on your adversary. >> i wonder, did you learn something from

selected majority leader, i first went on the floor that day in the first thing i did was go to bob byrd said bob, i will never know the rule and precedent the way that you do but i will make you a deal. i will never surprise you if you won't surprise me. >> he said let me think about it. he came back later and said ok, and we never did. i think that tradition has carried on. i think dole adopted that point of view as well and it is a good position even if i did first advocated -- advocate it. the rules say there is plenty room for disagreement and controversy and to do so within the framework of the organization without sneaking up on your adversary. >> howard baker was 88 years old when he died in june of this year. >> the c-span's cities to her takes tv on the road traveling to u.s. cities to learn about their history and literary life. we partnered with time warner cable for a visit to austin, texas. this was a private quarters. this is not part of a tour that is offered to the public. this is -- has never been open to the public and you are seeing it because of c-span's special acce

i had senator paul sarbanes, i had senator ted kennedy, senator bob byrd who helped me learn the ropes of the appropriation committee that i now chair. but i also had some other special help, from the women of the senate, the spouses of the senate. there was only senator nancy and myself in those days, but the spouses of the guys in the senate really reached out to me, and particularly the southern women were so gracious to help me learn the ropes, even learn what the building was, how to even maneuver here in so many ways. senator hal heffron's wife, mike. sam nunn's wife colleen. and then there was rose -- vivacious, charming, fun and savvy. we often were traveling, we took trips together, we were on a nato committee with thad and myself. it was always rose who said come on, barb, come with us. and she made sure i was not only -- i was both included, that i was ok'ed, and it was this sense of hospitality that i thought my gosh, what a wonderful institution. we're not democrats or republicans. we're working together. and the senator is working and we're working together, the spouses a

the first thing i did was go over by bob byrd. i said, i will never know the rules of the senate the women you do. but i will make you a deal. i will never surprise you if you won't surprise me. he thought about it and said let me think about it. he came back later that afternoon and said, ok. and we never did. i think that tradition has carried on. i think the little that one of you as well. and it is a good -- i think robert dole adopted that one as well. and it is a good, sound system. the system itself and the rules of the senate are such that there is plenty of room for disagreement, plenty of room for controversy, and to do so within the framework of the organization without sneaking up on your adversary. quest just some of the 2007 interview with majority leader senator howard baker. airing tonight at 8 p.m. eastern 5:00 pacific. religion, politics, and social issues through american history, during the u.s. as a christian nation, american muslims and how religious groups on immigration policy have changed, hosted by southe