back in 1992, when they didn't let bob casey sr. speak on the pro-life issue -- they weren't -- it wasnvisible. there were no pro-life democrats. "you shouldn't be allowed to speak." that caused a great deal of dissension and anger and resentment to this day. so i think they need to make sure that bernie's voice is heard and integrated, and he's gonna have 30,000 people coming -- at least 30,000 people coming -- to speak. so, this is gonna be bernie's convention as well as hillary's. >> mm-hmm. and in the meantime, donald trump didn't have his best week last week. he's certainly being criticized for trump university. he also -- it was displayed that he had 3,500 lawsuits over his entire career. that's a lot for someone running for president. and more people, as he's announced, have also filed 70 more new lawsuits. is it just a matter of when you're at business at that level, val, these things happen as a matter of a typical year for a businessperson? >> yeah, he's got many corporations. they get sued regularly. there's the debate now whether he gets sued more than other people do. he's