joining me tonight great bob costas talking a little bit of smack about brian william, maybe. i don't know what is going to happen. kidding can of course. let's begin with a new segment. we base it on the fact that no one has yet been held accountable for the 2008 financial crisis, it's a new segment we call how the [bleep] is it that martha stewart went to jail? (laughter) all right, let's get into it. we all remember the infamous bank bailout, tarp, troubled asset relief program and by assets i mean liabilities and by troubled i mean worthless. it was an enormous wall street bailout that everybody agreed we had to do and shouldn't do it. >> remember tarp, remember the bailouts, main street didn't get bailed out but the rich guys on wall street did. >> $700 billion thrown together over a weekend. >> $780 worth of tarp. >> tarps with a bailout fund that never should have happened. >> tarp is the most hated piece of legislation in recent american history. >> jon: oh! all, all of america, even more hated than the mandatory sasparilla enema act of 1908. (laughter) the secret ingr

bob costas was explicit and said are you sexually attracted to boys. what is going on with him? >> typically when you are a pedophile. you are in a state of denial that you did anything wrong. this is how you defend yourself. he is lying. that's what pedophiles do. they are in denial and that's why they don't stop. >> one child victim advocate says he has hurt his accusers by doing the interviews. >> every time he makes the trauma surface over and over. i have to see it on tv over and over with him denying it is excruciating. >> also, remember those victims of child sex abuse don't report because they blame themselves and are confused about it because their body did experience arousal. it is hard for them to come forward and say this guy was wrong because there was a piece of them that participated in it. it was a child piece that was manipulated but the point is when the powerful figure comes out and says that wasn't abuse or i didn't do that, that didn't happen. they start to self blame and that's the dangerous, psychological injury for these kids. >> thank you, both. we appre

a very passionate takeo spikes, bob costas. >> thanks, michele and to philip and takeo. the afc playoff picture. four of the teams are known with only the west champion and one wild card spot up for grabs. baltimore's loss tonight mean the steelers would be the number one seed if they win out. if the jets and bengals win their final two, it would come down to strength of victory between them. that gets complicated, and all four afc west teams can still, at least theoretically, win out. tony, a hiej win for the chargers tonight, and thus, they're still alive. >> they really are. and i tell you, green bay got in on the last day of the year last year, and i think if san diego gets in, they could be just as dangerous. this was also a big win, bob, for the pittsburgh steelers. they were sitting behind baltimore, and now they know if they win tomorrow, they can control things. and i believe mike tomlin will tell his defense, our quarterback, ben roethlisberger won't be 100%. defense, you may have to win. and i think you're going to see guys like troy polamalu step up for the p

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like first time around when he was interviewed by bob costas, he was asked, are you sexually attracted to underage boy. sandusky responds nod, i enjoy young people. the latest interview , the 68- year-old seemed incapable of answering directly once again. >> i will say -- what in the world is this question? am i going to be -- if i say no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth because i'm attracted to young people, boys, girls. >> now after that answer, sandusky's attorney, sitting off camera, rushed in to his defense, having him clarify the question saying he is attracted to spending time with young people but not in a sexual way. he maintained innocence throughout the investigation, saying he forced around with the disads advantaged boys in his care. he is free on bail. >>> closing arguments expected in the baltimore trial of a political aide to former governor, boar you ehrlich. -- bob ehrlich. henson, a consultant is charged in the case. his trial is set to start in february. >>> starting today, drivers will have to pay a toll when traveling along the connector. the road

this time, he was asked about the answer he gave to nbc's bob costas when asked if he was attracted to young boys. many say this response was more disturbing than the first. nbc's michael has this report. >> reporter: jerry sandusky denied charges he molested children. >> these allegations are false. i didn't do those things. i don't know what to say. >> reporter: the former penn state defensive coordinator spoke for nearly four hours to the "new york times." his most detailed explanation yet of the conduct that had led prosecutors to file 40 criminal charges against him for allegedly abusing eight children over 13 years. sandusky provided his version of a crucial moment when penn state's then-athletic director tim curley confronted him about a 2002 allegation involving a 10-year-old boy in the shower of the locker room. >> he was coming to me with a concern. i guess in his words, somebody had talked to him about inappropriate behavior in the shower. i told him that, you know, it didn't happen. you know, in my mind, there wasn't inappropriate behavior. >> reporter: sandusky said coach

bob costas explicitly said, are you sexually attracted to boys? what was going on with him? >> when you're a pedophile, typically, you lie. you're in a complete state of denial that you did anything wrong. you're saying, this is how i defend myself. i'm not attracted to anyone. he's just lying. that's what pedophiles do. they're in a state of denial. >> one child victim advocate says sandusky has revictimized his victims by doing these interviews. >> it makes the trauma resurface over -- it's called vi vie caca traumatization. >> victims are confused about it. it's hard for them to come forward and say, this guy was all wrong. it was a child piece who was manipulated. but the point is, when the powerful figure comes out and says, that wasn't abuse or i didn't do that, i didn't happen, they start to self-blame again. that's the dangerous thing. that's the psychological injury for these things. >> thank you both. >>> our top story tonight, herman cain suspending his campaign for president. he says he'll announce soon who he will endorse. we're asking our panel of experts who t

we have seen the nbc interview with bob costas which i understand that you volunteered sandusky for the interview and the interview with "the new york times," and in that interview, you can be heard audibly in the background when he is asked to deny the allegations of sexual attractions to young boys or pedophile and he does not explain it away by saying no def definitively right off of the bat in two interviews. how do you explain that and do you expect jerry sandusky to testify in his own defense. >> if jerry sandusky wants to testify in his own defense, that is an issue we have to decide at trial after we hear the evidence from the commonwealth. as far as the difficulty in answering that question concerning are you attracted to young boys or boys, jerry sandusky has problems answering a lot of questions. i struggle in my conversations with jerry, getting him to aps quickly and succinctly and directly, and he struggles with that particular question, because he is overwhelmed by it, and he is distressed by it. jerry has always said that he cares a great deal about young people. boys an

the comments that jerry sandusky has made that has gotten a lot of attention was his response to bob costas want to play that for our viewers who may not be familiar with it. >> are you a pedophile? >> no. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underaged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted? you know, no, i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> to a lot of people, that raises a lot of questions and is not -- you know, usually most people if you were asked are you sexually attracted to young boys, people would just say categorically no. >> i think he does almost say categorically no at the beginning, but he repeats the question, says no, then expounds a little bit, says no. i understand why people would think the answer means something, but i've said this before and i'll say it again, a very articulate person might have said it differently, but a very articulate person could also mislead a jury. an inarticulate person says it the way they mean it or in the best way he can, a

and he clarified an answer he gave bob costas last month asked whether he was sexually attracted to young boys. >> if i say no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth, because i'm attracted to young people, boys, girls. >> sexually, you're -- >> i enjoy -- that's what i was trying to say, i enjoy spending time with young people. i enjoy spending time with people. >> that was sandusky's lawyer in the background clarifying that sandusky's not, quote, sexually attracted to young people. sandusky agreed to the interview because he felt prosecutors were distorting his work with children. >>> former presidential candidate george mcgovern is in stable condition in a south dakota hospital. the democrat fell and hit his head yesterday just before a c-span interview. doctors say the former senator is alert and is resting comfortably. richard nixon defeated him for the presidency back in 1972. >>> and still ahead, a thief caught on tape stealing from church pre-schools. the excuse he used to get access in the first place. >>> christmas comes early in prince george's county. we'll take you o

after that, and after the bob costas interview on nbc, i'm wondering should he just shut up?s he doing himself any favors by making these media appearances? >> oh, he's really not convincing anyone he's innocent, the strangest interviews. >> not only shut up, no one should give him-- >> he seems happy enough to say, look, i'm kind of guilty, on tv when you listen to him talk. am i attracted to boys, oh, well-- >> if that's not half a confession, what is it? >> unlike former governor corzine, this is a situation the man should listen to his lawyers and shut up, don't speak, don't speak. >> there are jurors who are going to have to hear this case after all. >> i'm telling you, i'm not rooting for him to succeed in beating the rap. >> i'm perfectly happy with a horrible media strategy and anything else. >> when we come back from the break, is there a connection between your politics and the television shows you like? everyone in the nicu, all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a c

in his only broadcast interview about the scandal, sandusky told bob costas he has never abused a child. what are you denying you ever had any appropriate sexual contact with any of these boys? "yes, i am. >> but the man who filed suit today against sandusky into the charity he founded and penn state said it happened repeatedly at the home, the university locker room, and on football road trips. he said he chose to come forward now because of the bravery of other victims and the pain he feels about those who may have come after him. he said, i am hurting and have been for a long time because of what happened but feel even more tormented and i have learned that so many other kids have been at peace after me. lawyers have not responded to the allegation. >> sandusky remains out on bail. his next scheduled appearances on december 13. coming up, an alarming new questions about the safety of some fruit juices. >> it is not something you expect to hear because -- what a new study uncovered and what you can do to protect our children. if you use facebook, listen up. all the popular web site pl

i don't know why he's talking to bob decker, i don't know why he talked to bob costas, i don't know why on television. i don't know how any of this helpful. i'm not criticizing everything they're doing, i thought they were smart to waive the preliminary hearing. but these interviews where they don't have an answer about what he was doing, showering with young boys, all it does is remind people, he was showersing with young boys. >> but mark geragos, on this program, i think made a really interesting point. because in some cases you throw out the ruleback. that, as i said to the attorney, the vilification is so great, you've got to do something to put some speed bumps up. >> if you have something to say in answer to the question, yes. i don't think as a categorical rule, defense attorneys should never speak to the media. but you have to have a plan or some answer that will at least sort of address the accusation. >> jeff is -- >> mark? >> jeff is so right about that. when i say you throw out the rule book, it doesn't mean you throw out your common sense. i think what you've do, and one o

he needed help from his lawyer when asked to explain his comments last month to nbc's bob costas who asked sandusky if he was sexually attracted to young boys. >> what in the world is this question? you know, am i going to be -- if i say no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth because i'm attracted to young people, boys, girls. >> but not sexually. you were attracted -- >> i enjoy -- that's what i was trying -- i enjoy spending time with young people. i enjoy spending time with people. >> joining me now is criminal defense attorney ted simon. a lot of questions swirling in my head right now. but i'll start with this one. why would his attorney allow sandusky to do this extensive four hours, four-hour interview with the new york times? many legal analysts calling this completely an unusual strategy. how is this remotely helpful? >> i would start from the premise that i don't believe it's good professional practice for one lawyer to publicly grade the paper of another lawyer. particularly in a high-profile case where there's a lot of complex choices to make. you start from

he stumbled on that simple question when asked about it last month by nbc's bob costas. a second chance by "the new york times" -- >> i was saying, what in the world is this question? if i say no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth because -- >> reporter: sandusky's lawyer interrupts and coaches him off camera. >> boys, girls -- >> you're attracted because -- >> i enjoy, that's what i -- i enjoy spending time with young people, i enjoy spending time with people. >> reporter: his lawyer says sandusky gave the interview so people could learn more about the positive aspects of sandusky's life. but many legal analysts say his attempts to explain himself in public while facing 40 counts of child sex abuse seems an unusual strategy, and some of what he revealed could complicate his defense. >> the rule of thumb for all attorneys is basically do not have them talk on camera to anyone. >> reporter: sandusky said he stayed in touch with some of his alleged victims, even inviting one of them to dinner after a local paper reported on the grand jury investigation. >> i

. >> reporter: sandusky also tried to explain his response last month when nbc's bob costas asked him a question that appeared to throw him. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted? you know, i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- i -- but, no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> i was saying, what in the world is this question? if i say, no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth because i'm attracted to young people, boys, girls. >> yeah, but not sexually. you're attracted because -- >> yeah. i enjoy -- that's what i was trying to say. i enjoy spending time with young people. i enjoy spending time with people. >> reporter: for his part, paterno who is undergoing cancer treatments, still wasn't talking about the case today. but a lawyer for one of the alleged victims said sandusky's continued public denials are painful for his client. >> that felt like a punch in the stomach to me, just knowing victim one and his mother. >> reporter: lester, some legal ana

. >> reporter: another regret, how he answered this question from bob costas in his only other interview since the accusations of abuse. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underaged boys? no. >> i enjoy -- that's what i was trying to say. i enjoy spending time with young people. i enjoy spending time with people. >> these days, sandusky spends most of his time with his dog bowe. jay gray, nbc news, state college, pennsylvania. >>> country singer mindy mccready has been found hiding in a closet with her 5 jerold son. she was discovered in arkansas last night one day after a judge ordered her to return the boy to her mother who has legal custody. her boyfriend lived in the home where they were discovered. the child was fine, he's in the process of being returned to mccready's mother. >>> she had a messy breakup with charlie sheen. now brooke mueller is in trouble again. the nightclub confrontation that ended with her arrest. wait until you hear what was found inside. >>> a police escort for some special kids, the story of how santa is wearing a badge

. >> reporter: sandusky tried to explain his response when nbc's bob costas asked him a question that appeared to throw him. >> are you sexually attracted to underage boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted? i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. i'm sitting there saying, what in the world is this question? if i say, no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth. because i'm attracted to young people, boys, girls. >> but not sexually? you're not -- >> i enjoy -- that's what i was trying to -- i enjoy spending time with young people. i enjoy spending time with people. >> reporter: a lawyer for one of the alleged victim said sun doesky's continued denials are painful for his client. >> that's a punch in the stomach for me, knowing the vikt tctim his mother. >>> inside a sophisticated drug tunnel on the mexican border. and signs the fbi can finally close the books on one of the greatest crime mysteries in america, the d.b. coop are plane hijacking. >>> i think i've woken up ever

i mean these tapes, the judge hollis interview and the "times," the bob costas interview, they can bei don't know what the prosecution's strategy will be down the line, but they are generating material that can be used for the defense. obviously -- by the prosecution. obviously the defense feels that they're trying to change public perceptions in such a way that the jury pool will be more sympathetic to him. that calculation seems misguided to me, but we'll see when the trial comes. >> all right, jeffrey toobin, thanks, jeff. >>> some of the republican candidates have been making some pretty big claims on the campaign trail. we've put those claims to the test in today's "truth-o-meter." ♪ cheap cologne ♪ motor home ♪ i'm the rocket man! [ both ] ♪ rocket man ♪ burning out his fuse up here alone ♪ burning out his fuse up here alone? ahh. [ male announcer ] crystal clear fender premium audio. one of many premium features available on the all-new volkswagen passat. the 2012 motor trend car of the year. ♪ and i think it's gonna be a long, long time ♪ forty years ago, he wasn't worried abo

[ buzzer ] >> "bob costas family reunion"! >> jay: no, little league world series. long before baseball? [ wistling "jeopardy" theme ] [ laughter ] [ buzzer ] >> cricket! >> jay: cricket, that is correct! >> thank you! [ cheers and applause ] >> you see, i thought that was a trick question. >> jay: no. he has the advantage of being taller than you. he can look over my shoulder. [ laughter ] >> jay: let's see -- who holds the ncaa record for the longest football pass during a game? [ buzzer ] >> jay: yes? >> me! >> jay: that is correct! [ cheers and applause ] that is correct! let's look at the score! >> yes! oh, it is tied up! it is tied up! what do we do? one more question! one more question! >> ugh. who was the first athlete to rap at a pro bowl musical gala in 1995? quickly! >> 50 cent. >> jay: no. [ buzzer ] >> eminem. >> jay: no! >> i don't know. >> 49 cents -- [ laughter ] >> jay: no! [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> jay: you guys both suck! you guys both suck! it's a tie! it's a tie! be right back with elle fanning right after this! [ cheers and applau

did he not hear the word sexually posed by bob costas? and then the lawyer jumps in. >> look, he talks about his regret in the way in which he answered that question with bob costas and then tried to expand upon that. it's not my position to say whether he had difficulty with it or not. i think viewers can judge for themselves. >> it's interesting there. let's talk about penn state's athletic direct for, tim curley who has been charged with lying about the inappropriate behavior with the boy in the shower. here's how sandusky describes that. let's take a look. >> i told him that i -- you know, that it didn't happen and that in my mind it wasn't inappropriate behavior. and i said, if you want, you could speak to the young person that was involved. >> i'm curious during the interview how much was he just speaking with you and how much was the lawyer weighing in? how much was he having to listen to him? >> he was pretty much speaking to me for most of the interview. as i said, it's not surprising that you'd want to look at your lawyer and sa

when bob costas asked him the question are you attracted to boys, i thought i say answer was quite shockingwas also shocking. >> this is why you don't let your clients talk. you could hear the attorneys screaming in the background. now if he's going to testify at trial, that would be a great exchange there. but you know that he said something wrong when you hear the attorney screaming. >> help me here. could this possibly be part of a strategy to have him talk? is there something his attorney is thinking he can get out of making these statements? >> what possible strategy other than pr or marketing orallying your base would be possibly have with your statements or any statement that can be used in court. there's no strategy unless you're trying to publicize him, there really is no sense and that's why attorneys, that's why we tell you to keep your mouth shut, whether you're a prosecutor or you a defendant because if there's a trial coming, you want it to be on point at that time. >> turn this around. assuming he's done damage here, how do you repair the damage? what possible confidence can

actually seems to be very similar to the reaction to the first interview that jerry sandusky gave to bob costaews, i think some of the similarities are that he cat gorically denies all the claims but talks about his love for young people in a way that some people, you know, really don't like to hear, given what's gone down in the last month. and, you know, a lot of the things that he said, also, are inline with what his attorney told us earlier this week, that they plan to fight each and every case at this point because they feel they have a strong defense and all eight of those cases brought forward by the state attorney general's office. >> the interesting thing, sa rarks when you talked about -- when you were talking about this, how it's enfur rating to the victims, you have the question the wisdom of his attorney for allowing him to do this again, and, also, his maturity level for someone who is accused of the horrible crimes that he's accused of to not really understand what someone is saying to them. apparently -- are you attracted to someone? clearly, they mean sexually attracted. for h

sandusky denied molesting a child and explained one of his responses during the interview with bob costasy remember that costas asked sandusky if he's attracted to young boys. >> if i say no i am not attracted to boys, that is not the truth because i am attracted to young people, boys, girls -- . >> yeah, but not sexually. you're attracted because -- . >> yeah, i enjoy -- that is what i was trying to say. i enjoy spending time with young people. i enjoy spending time with people. i mean, my two favorite groups are the elderly and the young. >> by the way, that was sandusky's lawyer you heard in the background trying to help him out in the answering of the question. sandusky is charged with 40 counts of abuse. >>> meanwhile, new allegations of sexual abuse against a former boston red sox club house manager. donald fit patrick died in 2005. and now, two massachusetts men say he abused them in the early 1990s. they are seeking a $5 million settlement from the team. in 2002, fitzpatrick pleaded guilty in florida to attempted sexual battery on a child. the teamy ised a lawsuit -- team settled

. >> he had called in with bob costas on nbc.is the strategy on him giving interviews. >> tradition you hire a criminal defense attorney to prevent you from being destroyed by the press. we have this thing called the right to remain silent. it exists for a reason because generally when a defendant goes out and starts making public statements, he gets crucified at trial. >> next "out front" we broke down the president's speech day in kansas, and mitt romney, he picked up an endorsement today from former vice president dan quayle, why we couldn't resist that one. n for adults. plus an excellent source of omega-3 dha in a great tasting gummy. one a day, gummies for grown-ups. >>> and now a story we can't resist. so earlier today, mitt romney received an official endorsement from former vice president dan quayle. quayle has mostly stayed out of the limelight since his one term as vp and his run for president in 2000. in honor of his endorsement today, here's a look back on the political life of former vp dan quayle. >> in 1988, the q