also joining us by telephone, bob costas of nbc sports. bob, we're thinking of you. we're thinking of a whole lot of people who crossed his path and vice versa. and covered this incredible career. here you are. you just called the game tonight. giants-cardinals in st. louis. and i'm curious where your thoughts are right now. >> well, i was just listening to you finishing up with matt. and as much as any of his fights, as memorable as so many of those fights were, i too think of that evening in atlanta. i was on the air with dick enbe enberg. and it was amazing how they managed to keep his identity, the identity of the final torch bearer a secret. they rehearsed it one time at 3:00 in the morning. and if you recall scene, janet evans, the gold medal winning swimmer was second to last. and as she ascended the steps and got to the top, ali literally stepped out of the shadows, out of darkness into the spotlight. and you hear a lot of sounds in a stadium. you seldom hear an audible gasp. 60,000, 70,000 people processing it. and it was two or three seconds before that gas

that was bob costas on nbc describing it as it happened. muhammad ali battled parkinson's for more than three decades. over the weekend he died from septic shock due to unspecified causes. he was 74 years old. we've learned new details about funeral plans for ali. islamic funeral prayer service will be held thursday in his native kentucky. a public funeral will take place the day after that. i'm joined by new york daily news columnist mike lupica. you wrote about that torch lighting and what it meant. >> even though we will never know how many of his own memories he lost over the last few years, we keep all of ours. and i was thinking, louisville gave him to the world a long time ago. and the world gives him back this weekend. and it's going to be a fantastic scene. the public procession, the prayer service and then the public memorial.

stop like melting because bob costas is in your ear." [ laughter ] so, it'll go really well, i'm sure, in rio. >> jimmy: oh yeah, but this is gonna be fun. you, rio, single dudes? >> hey, look out. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's what i'm saying. i don't know. also, this is what i love about you, too. you're always doing something different, and if you can read up about ryan seacrest. i always read every article about you because you're just so interesting. what you're doing business wise and entrepreneurial. it's just inspiring. >> thank you. >> jimmy: but you have a a sportswear line coming out. >> yes, we have the rio collection coming out. >> jimmy: distinction is your -- >> distinction is our clothing line. we do suits and ties, but we've got a rio collection coming out this summer for the games. >> jimmy: i mean, come on. >> and we've got all kinds of great things. >> jimmy: i could rock this

i text with bob costas. he's the coolest.enius. you've interviewed him. >> jimmy: oh yeah. he makes me weep. >> me too. >> jimmy: he tells you sports stories and you just go -- it's a beautiful thing. >> we did the closing ceremonies in london together and we were talking about floats and things like that, right? for the closing. and i kept hearing -- he's next to me and i kept hearing his voice in my headphones. and you know, his voice was so magical that i kept getting distracted, thinking, "my god seacrest, you gotta talk about the floats. stop like melting because bob costas is in your ear." [ laughter ] so, it'll go really well, i'm sure, in rio. >> jimmy: oh yeah, but this is gonna be fun. you, rio, single dudes? >> hey, look out. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's what i'm saying. i don't know. also, this is what i love about you, too. you're always doing something different, and if you can read up about ryan seacrest. i always read every article about you because you're just so interesting. what you're doing business wise

bryant gumbel, bob costas, also a pleasure. bryant, i don't know how you're going to do it next friday, but good luck. >> if you have any suggestions, let me have them, chuck. >> i appreciate it. all right. >> take care. >> all right. >>> in a moment, the presidential campaign. yes, we're still talking politics here. and the emergence of a new breed of trump supporter, calling them steinoes, supporters in name only. the term could apply perhaps to my next guest, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> and could gary johnson's candidacy on the libertarian line make a difference in this year's presidential election? with two deeply unpopular candidates, it just might. he joins me later in the show. >> my intention is to box, to win a clean fight. oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... ...in one week. with the... fastest retinol formula available. it's clinically proven to work on fine lines and... ...even deep wrinkles. "one week? that definitely

bryant gumbel, bob costas, always a pleasure. bryant, i don't know how you will do it next friday, good luck. >> if you have any suggestions, let me have them. >> thank you. >> take care. >>> in a moment, the presidential campaign. we're still talking politics e supporters, sigh knows, supporters in name only. it could apply to mitch mcconnell who joins me. >>> could gary johnson's candidacy make a difference? t it might. gary johnson joins me later in the show. >> my intention is to box to win a clean fight. but in war, the intention is to kill, kill, kill, kill and con continue killing innocent people. >>> welcome back. at first glance, it would appear the republican establishment is starting to rally around donald trump. add in an endorsement from paul ryan this week to the list of why it looks that way. but the problem, trump backers might just be what i call sinos, supporters in name only. yes, they say they'll vote for trump or oppose clinton. but when trump steps in it, as he did this week when he insists a judge couldn't

version with catherine rampell, megan murphy and bob costa. >> trump is more comfortable at the moment talking about trade. integration is part of it. but when you see trump trying to navigate a general election audiences, he uses different language and nuance in recent days maybe talking about blocking people from terrorist countries and not just the muslim aspect so you see him not so much centered on immigration, it's about the broader theme of economy and trade. >> rose: brexit and the presidential election when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: tonight we begin with the continuation of our coverage of britain's exit from the european union. e.u. leaders converged in todaye decision. prime minister cameron said britain will not be turning its back on europe. >> britain will be leaving the european union but you want -- i want the process

we begin with david remnick, robert lipstyle, bob costa and ellis coast. >> you could not-- three and a half years was enough but for all he knew, it was forever. and for all he knew the supreme court would not side with himnd he might go to prison and his passport might not be returned. he didn't know. he might have been risking it all. as it was, it unit ited out he gave up a whole lot and in a sport spends the rit krilt civil was he is a pretty boy, all flash and dash and that is why george frassier helped to elevate him and george foreman but to a lesser extent. >> we continue with the reverend jesse jackson. >> i remember him going to cubament and the american press saying where are you going to cuba. >> don't choose my friends ali was much that way. he chose his own friends and destiny. >> we conclude this evening with what guests on this program over the year. have said about muhammad ali. >> he once said to me you know with the worries i have got, if i had been a white man or businessman, i would be dead. and to be a hero, a protagonist means you live with worry all the time.

. >> you will be sitting down today with bob costas, bryant gumbel, talk to me about the political legacyt is what we're going to focus on. less time on the athlete and more time on the activist. i think what he gave to many people around the world is the idea that you can use your platform as a slepty and an ath let, and the capital you build to fight for beliefs. and he was willing to forego perhaps millions of dollars. it would have been easier to enlist, to not say a word when it came to vietnam, but that is not what he did and he was willing to do that. it set an example for others. and today somebody speaking out about their beliefs it is something that we em braes as a society. but i think that is the legacy that he gave us is the idea that hey, no matter what you are, don't be afraid. >> yeah, and talking about the election, a rate for the white house, is donald trump making it difficult for mcconnell and the gop establishment to back him? >> absolutely. and you can just see it in the way that people like mitch mcconnell and paul ryan are doing contortions to say yes, they will vo

and from washington, bob costa. national political reporter for the post. me about the speech today. bob: just a few days after secretary clinton went to cincinnati, you see trump going to the rust belt. blue-collar workers. trying to rouse those workers who this campaign believes are at the heart of his campaign. ight'strying to r message. he is coming back to what he ran on a year ago. trade. economic populism. trying to set the table before the convention. charlie: and immigration? bob: not so much at the center. he is more comfortable talking about trade. when you see trump trying to navigate a general election audience, he still wants to build his wall but when it comes to barring all muslims, he has used different language to talk about maybe blocking people just from terrorist countries. e the broader theme of the economy and trade. charlie: trump talking about the trade, less about the muslim ban? more about appeals to reagan democrats? >> pretty extraordinary speech by any measure, and shows the race we are in and how things have changed with him a

ebony, you said you didn't like this the way bob costas is talking gun control. he is the greatest baseball announcer in history and a hundred years from now people will still be saying that. there is validity to the thought that if you don't like someone like costas railing about guns you shouldn't applaud skullly doing it with socialism. >> i agree. now that i know he is 91 he can say whatever he wants. >> he is 88 by the way. >> in that case, never mind. >> he is still old and going to die. besides getting his age wrong you say you don't like normal people. it doesn't matter. he is ageless. >> he is a great guy. remi, you take -- he takes longer hours. >> just because they are in the office for more hours than women. it doesn't mean they are working longer hours. >> i guess i can't argue. the point of the study and the reason i don't agree with the whole privilege thing, but the reason why the author says it is because the study says white men are more likely to be given the opportunity to work longer hours. >> i think minorities are disadvantaged when it come

. >> pretty remarkable when you think bob costa was one of the guys who would go in tell the story straighter on it. there's no explaining it. this week donald trump he said proudly revoked "washington post" press credentials calling them dishonest and phony. associate editor of the "washington post," a man there when "the washington post" was going after richard nixon for his misdeeds and even nixon did not revoke "washington post" press credentials at that time. bob woodward -- >> morning. how are you? >> what does this mean about press freedom. guys like you are going to keep doing your job. what do you make of this? >> on several levels. first of all you saw the statement saying, look, this really isn't right but we're going to continue doing this in the very aggressive, fair way. we're blessed. we've got one of the great editors, marty barron, he's one of these people 24/7, work all that time. the coverage has been very aggressive. some of it trump doesn't like but it's been very fair. you've got andy lack here at nbc, someone i've known for 25 years, they are news hounds. in one form

and from washington, bob costa. national political reporter for he post. about the speech today. bob: just a few days after secretary clinton went to cincinnati, you see trump going to the rust belt. going to western pennsylvania. talking to a steel town. the blue-collar workers. trying to rouse those workers who this campaign believes are at the heart of his campaign. he is trying to right his message after a distracting summer so far. a trip to scotland. he is coming back to what he ran on a year ago. trade. economic populism. trying to set the table before the convention. charlie: and immigration? bob: not so much at the center. he is more comfortable talking about trade. immigration is part of it. when you see trump trying to navigate a general election audience, he still wants to build his wall but when it comes to barring all muslims, from entering thehe has used different language country, to talk about maybe blocking people just from terrorist countries. not just focusing on the muslim aspect. you see the broader theme of the economy and trade. char

with us now is bob costas. xer ever. what are your thoughts and remembrances of muhammad ali? >> so many things have been said over the last 48 hours plus, some of them by me in other places. so, just to focus on -- >> give us the best of costas. >> i don't know if it's the best, but some points that haven't been hit as hard. we were just talking about it during the break. when first cashius clay and then muhammad ali were the heavyweight champion of the world, boxing was mainstream. they were live, and if they were pay per view, muhammad ali would be sitting there, they would show you the whole fight. now, who's the best boxer in the world? maybe pound for pound, floyd y mayweather. most people have never seen him fight. the fights are on hbo or pay per view, whatever it may be. he wasn't just a unique person with a unique personality and extraordinary talent and all the charisma and everything everyone has talked about. he had the platform. >> and i was talking about how my entire family, it sounds like the 19

we're joined by bryant gumbel and nbc's bob costas with their thoughts on the life and legacy of muhammad ali. i spent the weekend worrying about if the younger generation get it. he has been silent for three decades. >> bob was just sitting there, as we're watching melvin's piece. and i said, you realize that you're talking about the rumble in the jungle, somebody can be 45 years old and not have seen it. >> yeah. >> there really has been -- >> when he was cassius clay. and by the way, just as a side note, a lot of what ali said was profound. some of it was hyperbolic. when he said that cassius clay was a slave name, that was ironic because the oig cassius clay was a white abolitionist, who was shot by a pro-slavery guy in the 1940s. that dun mean that ali didn't do what he did for good reasons. but cassius clay was an abolitionist. >> to go back to the point, now, everyone reveres him. now, everyone loves him and adores him and the temptation is to have this portrait. let's set it in its time. how radical. how controversial. and how expensive it was for him to do in the '60s, standing u

i thought bob costas was absolutely fabulous in taking a lot of people that in the absolute uproar --easurable, the uproar, that muhammad ali caused in the late 1960's and early 1970's. in hindsight, it has been amended and change by a lot of people who were highly critical of him coming around in the years and decades. think within all of the comment and perspective, for a lot of us, it was about a younger gentleman who change the debate in america. there is no question. his profound social impact was incalculable in the 1960's and 1970's. francine: i spent a lot of the weekend reading up on pieces. there was a beautiful bloomberg view piece talking about mohammed all the taking sides. i encourage all to go and find that bloomberg view piece. onay, an annual dialogue strategic issues. dialogue, of the foreign exchange. chinese intervention in currency markets has not been problematic. >> we need to make sure the commitment and moving in an more market a determined exchange rate, will stay a firm policy, as there is up and down and then it not become a one-way policy in the future. i

. >>> coming up, bryant gumbel and bob costas will join us for more on the life and legacy of muhammad ali. >>> we'll turn now to politics. donald trump under fire once again for his comments about the federal judge involved in the trump university lawsuit. this as hillary clinton looks to lock up the nomination. she and bernie sanders are battling it out in california. nbc national correspondent peter alexander joins us now from trump tower with the latest. peter, good morning. >> hi, savannah. good morning to you. with a win this weekend, hillary clinton in puerto rico all but assured she will wrap up the democratic nomination tomorrow night. setting her up for a fight with donald trump. trump in the face of blistering criticism, a lot from republicans, over his attacks on the mexican-american federal judge. he's intensifying his stance. >> reporter: hillary clinton on the cusp of clinching the democratic nomination tomorrow, looking past bernie sanders in california. instead, hammering away at her republican rival. >> donald trump is not qualified or temperamentally fit to be presid

we're joined by former "today" co-host bryant gumbel and bob costas, with their thoughts on the life and legacy of mau hauh ali. >> good morning. >> i worried, does the younger generation get it? he'd been silenced the last couple decades and they didn't see firsthand what we saw. >> bob and i were sitting there and watching melvin's piece. i said, do you realize that if you're talking about the rumble in the jungle, somebody can be 45 years old and not have seen it? >> yeah. >> i mean, there really has been a huge amount of time. >> we remember when he was cassius clay. as a side note, a lot of what ali said was profound. some of it was hyironic. the original cassius clay was shot by a pro-slavery guy in kentucky in the 1840s. that doesn't mean ali didn't have the right to do what he did and didn't do it for right reasons. to correct the historical recorrecord on cassius clay. >> now, everyone reveres him and loves him and adores him. the temptation is to have this gau gauzey portrait. let's talk about how radical and expensive it was for him in the '60s to stand up to the war. >> i

bob costa, give us reporting of what's going on inside the trump campaign right now.with the direction it's going. does anybody in the campaign have donald trump's ear enough to change things? >> you see trump talking more now to the republican national committee, talking to party leaders, seeming to acknowledge he needs to become more disciplined not just on the front but his overall message. a big test is how talks are going with planning for the convention. can trump reintroduce himself to the country in cleveland this july. >> haven't we already had this talk before where trump is going to prove he could discipline himself more? after wisconsin we saw it for a couple weeks. but that was it. >> this is the unpredictable trump. the thought inside of trump tower in he can overwhelm the media and the news cycle. this point the problem for trump is he has a lot of the party wary. the people he needs to be rallying are nervous about him. >> does that include the big fundraisers. trump is raising more money than in the past. the financial network that community of donors