votes, i suppose you have received the jim crow prize for second place finish in the presidential campaign. it's crazy. >> only thing i would say to my friend bobs i think stuart is being loyal the way people are when they've lost hard-fought campaigns. you have bon on the losing side -- >> i don't remember bob shrum not telling the truth in the light of a spanking. >> no, bob is not a fantasist. joopt to suggest that all republicans lack moral and intellectual resources to confront what happened. mike murphy said, folk, that the party needs to realize that the party's brand is dying, its strategists are incompetent and it's campaign methods are hopelessly outmoded. that's right, isn't it? >> it's largely right. again, if you want to dissect the infighting among republican strategists, there's probably a lot of blame to go in why the republicans have not evolved their position in a way that would be more relevant to the everyday problems of average americans, which is to my mind why the party is going to be in big trouble. i think, look, wherever the dust clears on this, if the republicans don't get a rethinking like clinton provided for the de