bob cummings. david: bob cummings. my mother's oldest brother.nd he was radicalized at the university of michigan. and the day he graduated in 1937, he and two of his friends, ralph and another, left michigan, went to new york, got on a boat, took the boat across to france, took a train across france, to the spanish border, climbed over the pyrenees to fight against franco in the spanish civil war. brian: what was motivating him? david: ideology, politics. hatred of fascism. most of the americans and canadiens who went over there had some, or 2/3 of them had some affiliation with the young communist league. so you can say, you know, that that was financially what -- they didn't make money off of this, of course, but that's how they got there. but what was driving them was a belief in a better egalitarian world and a hatred of fascism. brian lamb: what happened to him after that? david: he was there from 1937 until the americans were sent home, a little bit before the war ended with franco defeating the loyalists, the republicans. and he came back

someone, as he was, was willing to come in, voluntarily, with chairman cummings, and then get a subpoena, why would you do that? bob congress' right to do so. mr. meadows: it is not their practice. it is their right. but it is not their practice. and candidly, when you start handing out subpoenas, like candy, to everything, it undermines the process. bob: you know the president so well, does he still believe that russian interference in 2016 was a hoax? mr. meadows: i think he believes that russian interference did not affect the outcome of the election. and it didn't. i mean, listen. bob: does he accept the mueller report? mr. meadows: do you accept the fact that $1 billion was spent and $300,000 in facebook ads is going to change the outcome of the election? come on. bob: the mueller report details -- excuse me. mr. meadows: if that's the case, then what we need to do is make sure that democrat and political operatives do only what the russians did to make sure that they can win an election. i mean, it's ludicrous to have that assumption. bob: do you accept what robert mueller detailed in the first volume of his