. >> bob dillon would have been absolutely hopeless if he hasn't basically been incrediblincre incrediblys. relatively nice. >> and let me ask you about your olympics. you've been relatively vocal about this. it's been a big year for the gay and lesbian community in america. are you happy with the speed and advances and rights now bestowed out? are you still thinking a lot of talk not enough action? >> having been on the journey of getting towards gay and lesbian rights equality, understanding, diversity in america, 20 years ago, started, no, i was hoping in 10 years it would all be -- we'd all feel comfortable about it. this is deep-seated fear that comes. religion and all kinds of things involved. so this changed -- this change of paradigm with understanding, love, relationship, family, society takes time. are we moving in that direction? absolutely. >> you grew up in kansas. you came up -- i know when i grew up, gay was a bad word, homo, and -- there were so many then, blacks and poor, the immigrants, them, now the them is me. it was a very poignant way of putting it. do you feel the t