he beat you bob dole because bob dole would not take in new hampshire and that's what he lost. he was 14 points down to dukakis when he said read my lips announced he was running against reagan and would raise taxes. it's when he broke it that he made it impossible for himself to be trusted on anything and to get reelected. i think at the end of the day chip which will make a commitment. admin id the pledge but it will be inviting to the american people. that's the important part of the do you worry though, in the book you discuss senator hatch's initiative to review the ethanol tax credit. >> guest: coburn. there was an effort, the pledge. the pledge became a great wall of china beyond which politicians couldn't do. as long as the republicans have had the house, senate or governorship which was some or presidency from 94 till 2009 there was no tax increase in american history, the longest period in american history with no tax increase. it was only when they're all democrat in 1993 and no republican voted and then in 2009 when they passed a tax increase only with democratic vo

bob dole had an ad, the real tours did an ad attacking steve forbes. it is playing with fire when a lot of americans would still like to see the rich pay more and a more progressive tax code. john: coming up, we play mad libs with the funniest of all the united states senators from south carolina, lindsey graham. ♪ mark: joining us now from capitol hill is someone who once interrupted the top of this program. we wanted to give it another chance. lindsey graham, the senator from south carolina. we will read a sentence and you will fill in with a word or short phrase. let's put 60 seconds on the clock. if the iranian nuclear deal currently on the table is completed, the world can expect blank. senator graham: chaos. mark: if the deal falls apart, the u.s. and it's allies should do blank. when lindsey graham heard about chris christie's pitch yesterday he thought that here's a governor was being blank. senator graham: late to the party. mark: after announcing he was running for president this week, marco rubio should be most concerned about blnk. senator

. >> bob dole fell off the stage in 1996. >> absolutely. >> you know, if you're older this becomes something that -- yeah. >> and things happen. things happen to people. >> one thing i have to say about the education as the issue here, and this is why i couldn't ever run for office... >> uh-oh. >> ...is the conversation that the public's getting is just a rehashing and sort of -- there aren't really ideas coming out of candidates. what's coming out of candidates is what polls say people want to hear. if you want to, you know understand where these positions -- you know, folks like tom ferrick and dave davies and others have been writing good columns about assessing sort of the aca-- the educational platforms, but, you know, at the end of the day, the challenge for a mayor on education is you're either -- you know, you're either gonna have to raise taxes or reduce city spending. you're gonna have to shift millage from -- >> and you never hear that until after the election's over. >> but you're gonna have to shift millage from the city to the school district, even under a best-case scenario in

i remember when bob dole and john mccain rand not too much older and act like they were moneys. >> endm have was that of the game for weeks she couldn't handle tapa cloth. >> the was a very serious health incident with the blood -- a blood clot actually of on its way to her brain. it will be a serious issue for her with her health records she will invoke secrecy and people will say you were going to be 69 we have a right to know your health. people demanded transparency from john mccain they wanted that line item jack. >> the media loves her right now because there's nobody else if elizabeth warren rand the issue would be a target. just like a rock obama. she is not really loved by anyone people say if it is ted cruz then i will vote for hillary. even though they don't love her as a candidate but if elizabeth warren steps out then they're able become attack dogs against her. >> if you feel he will fall in love with a politician don't. in always ends badly. and if it doesn't. [laughter] new video has surfaced that baggage handlers are stealing items from inside the bags and not just the

bob dole never caught up and george herbert walker bush never caught up with the ronald reagan mindset. they were born too early. they served too early and they learned how politics work before they changed the rules. in the house and the senate -- it changes how you approach things. they took spending on earmarks which prior to that he party was to sign up. then i would look at how i had stolen from a knee money and giving it to other people and -- they would talk about how they brought money back to the district. today they are at the dinner table. it's crushing. that is a change in washington d.c.. i worry sometimes that the people that make the tea party have been don't understand how dramatically they've succeeded already in changing the way that washington works. we are heading in a different direction than we were before the tea party. >> host: a lot of people would say we started this in opposition to bail out and obamacare and obamacare is still in place. in the end of that was the means writing source. >> guest: .biz yes we didn't have the house or the senate. we recently got

i was going to say she is like bob dole in a pants suit but more like karl marx in a pants suit. she talked about hedge fund managers. her daughter is married to a hedge fund manager. >> she knows very well. >> look at all these angles we have to discuss in the coming weeks and weeks and weeks. >> months and months. >> simon and larry, take care. thanks for sticking around. >>> you've got to get to this because miss america is in the house. miss america winners have the opportunity to get their voices heard. this year's winner kira kazantsev promising to make awareness to domestic violence. she writes, i was a victim not only to abuse in a relationship, but also to abuse of people i thought were my friends. in hindsight my involvement in sorority hazing, however minor at the time speaks to how pervasive it is. she talks about her platform, love shouldn't hurt and a special thing going on. great to have you back. >> thank you for having me. >> the time goes by so quickly and probably especially when you are traveling around the nation and world like you. >> yes. i can't believe it

media allies to do to hillary clinton in this several month period what the clinton people did to bob dole many years ago when he was the republican nominee and sat there while the clintons teenage him. the theory of the republicans, if we can drive her personal negatives up. the republican don't have obamacare to run against. the current deficit is dispierce. the economy is disappearing. what do they have to do? destroy her character early on. do it early and do it often. that's their strategy. that is their strategy. and they're going to double down on it. and everybody will say they need to do other things. >> you used to do it the summer before. now you do it the summer before the summer before. an interesting strategy. i saw jerry brown used to use that. hit him early on his pension. >> so basically throw spaghetti out. her e-mail haven't worked. then you have benghazi and it is still not working. >> in the famous words, we'll see. we'll see. i'll see. howard fineman, thank you both for coming on. coming up, tomorrow i'll talk to the president about it. when we come back we'll hear fr

bill clinton and his first year he gave a nasty speech to criticize bob dole but by the end the comics did not want to follow him he would make fun of himself to be home alone. the first ladies have developed recently did not make fun of themselves but their husbands is okay. if hillary clinton is president if she writes thus be sold to novell want to know what she says about bill clinton. [laughter] >> this goes to the tools that they have but it is very difficult to manage because all day long they comment on their policies for you have all seen this but it is a nice way to end this part of the discussion with a modern president to have those tools of policy. >> hi everybody. i am so excited to talk to about the anniversary of a receiver is celebrate the challenge of champions. [inaudible] we are celebrating a big anniversary. with his five years since we launched let's move. for starters i will ask kids or parents to find ways to be healthy do jumping jacks or pushups to find a way to work it into their routine. everybody give me five. then pass on the challenge. >> what to historia

she has that bob dole david letterman, midwest cutting sense of humor. see if we get more of hillary clinton. i'll also say this, yes hillary clinton took a helicopter in iowa last time, because maybe she wanted to get in the van. some advisers suggested the helicopter, they said it was better. she accepted that advice. for all the new people she can hire in this campaign all the different people the question is what decisions does she make? she's the candidate, the ceo. if she wants to be different, she's going to have to prove it. we'll wait for the explanation, maybe there's a good one. but our friend mappingy -- maggie from the "new york times," had to call the manager of the chipotle in ohio. she went to chipotle, got lunch, and she didn't talk to anybody. ohio's kind of important in presidential politics. and if bill clinton were on that ride, he would still be in that chipotle and would have known a third of the people. >> he would be serving food there, wouldn't he? >> he would be eating the burrito off the table next to him. but he's not running

bob dole, governor romney, which you know i'm a big fan of. the establishment candidate is not really worked for us. so now you're seeing, in the polling numbers, scott walker, not really the establishment candidate, at 15. jeb, really the establishment candidate at 12. and rand sees an opportunity there. he thinks he can slip himself in there. his policies are different. he is going to straddle the line beating the washington machine and being part of washington. i think that will be difficult for him in that party. liz: he has bitcoin on his side. a couple of things he announced today. he would be tweeting a lot. he did a little town hall on facebook. >> super likeable. liz: super likeable. energetic. >> i totally agree about the republican party. has to go at it in the inner cities. got to tell the story. has to be approachable. liz: that doesn't seem a problem for him. i would look at him and, one of the things he said, both my sons have minimum wage jobs, working their way through college. that strike as tone with bolt older set and young

they want to go on hillary clinton's age from the party with bob dole. and ronald reagan.ident ever. ageism doesn't work. in this case you have hillary clinton running against herbert hoover economics. and every guy in the gop field is running on doing exactly what george w. bush did but calling it something different. >> alanna brace yourself. they said there may be more in the race. where is someone else getting in? maybe you didn't see this one coming. the "washington post" road house new hampshire could make or break jeb bush's presidential campaign. and it brought up this idea. floated by a skratic strategist. >> jeb bush has to win new hampshire. it is a must win. he will lose iowa. i'll go further and say if jeb bush loses new hampshire, they'll get mitt romney back in the race. >> the romney may return story is getting headlines but he is long denied a third repeat or three-peat. >> i'm not running. i'm not planning on running. >> i'm not running for president. >> i'm not doing it again. >> i'm not running for president. i've said it so many times. >> can you see a

80s, early '90s, she can be a fun conversationalist, she does tell very funny jokes, she has that bob dole david letterman sense of humor. let's see if we get more of hillary clinton. let's see if we get more. hillary clinton took a helicopter in iowa last time, because maybe she wanted to get in the van. some advisers suggested the helicopter, they said it was better. she accepted that advice. for all the new people she can hire in this campaign, what does she make. she's the candidate, the ceo. if she wants to be different, she's going to have to prove it. we'll wait for the explanation, maybe there's a good one. she had to call the manager of the chipotle in ohio. she went to chipotle, got lunch, and she didn't talk to anybody. ohio's kind of important in presidential politics. and if bill clinton were on that ride, he would still be in that chipotle and would have known a third of the people. >> he would be serving food there, wouldn't he? >> he would be eating the burrito off the table next to him. >> well, bill is vegan now. so the most he would eat is gawk mole lay. >> young first t

you saw the greatest hits and this was very successful for bill clinton running against bob dole andrge h.w. bush. hillary clinton is on the other side of this. how do you look fresh when you have a name from the past? >> i think it comes down to the issues. what voters want is someone who is going to lay out an agenda how you move the country forward. you showed republican candidates spending time attack hillary. that's great. let them do it. every second they are not talking about how we move this great nation forward is great for hillary clinton. let her lay out her positive agenda. it's what i did when i ran for governor of the commonwealth of virginia in 2013. we broke a 38-year trend. talked about issues and how do you move the economy forward how do we make virginia open and welcoming. today you look at a virginia today, less a year in office our economy is booming, lowest unemployment rate in many years. $6.5 million investment. we brought people together in a bipartisan way around ideas. that's what hillary can do for this country and will do. >> she has to carry the state o

bob dole never caught up a with the reagan mindset. they were born too early, got elected too early, they learned how politics works before reagan changed the rules. in the house and senate pre-and post gingrich. people before gingrich thought the republicans were naturally the minority. if you think, half of the people say you're going to love me, and then -- it changes how you approach things, and then there's this big change maybe bigger, with the tea party. before and after the 2009-102010. they took spending on earmarks, which prior to the tea party was considered a sign of fer tility. and look how manly i am. i've stolen money from other people and given it to people who live near you. in the obituaries we talk about how somebody brought money back to the district. today ear miracles are like parting at the dinner table. they're considered -- what? it's corruption. a measure of corruption, not competence to be an earmarker. that is a change in washington, dc that i worry sometimes that at the people who made the tea party happen

his first year as president, he gave a nasty speech -- bob dole, john kasich -- by the end, he was hiring professional comics. he was making fun of himself being home alone. the first ladies started that relatively recently, making fun of themselves. nancy did it, she had to make fun of her husband -- that is considered ok. hillary clinton if she gives one of these speeches, the whole town would want to know. [laughter] ms. swain: this is going to be the last clip, that it is back to what -- the schools they have, social media, youtube. it is also a very difficult thing to manage. all day long, people are commenting on their policies. one of those given and taken the way things. there's is a nice way to end the discussion to see how a modern president uses the tools we have of communication to help advance policy present their image of themselves. >> hey everybody, i am so excited to talk to you about the anniversary. the theme this year is celebrate challenge champion. >> cut! what are you doing here? >> we are celebrating a big anniversary. >> oh. are we still running? >> it has been fi

to clinton gave tenet a nasty speech at his peak he criticized bob dole, john kasich. by the and he was hiring professional writers who did want to follow him because he's so funny because making fun of himself being home alone. he had this whole skit. the first ladies started to do relatively recently. they don't make fun of themselves. nancy did she had to. they make fun of their husbands it's considered okay. if hillary clinton is president as she gives one of his speeches the whole town will want to know what she says about bill clinton. [laughter] >> this is going to be the last clip, and it's clip, and effectively what presidents have today, the tools that have today, social media, youtube and the like but it also is a difficult thing to manage because all day long people are commenting on their policies in the white house but it's one of those giveth and taketh away things at the same time. this is a nice way to end this part of the discussion to see how a modern president uses the tools that we have of communication to help advance policy, to present the image

she's actually very funny in a bob dole kind of way. humor approachability serves any politician well she pulled that back the question now is whether she's willing to be more of her old self-if you will while also learning more of the lessons she lempbed in 2008. the video is very well constructed, the advantage the democratic paerts has heading into presidential elections because of republican dysfunction, like issues on immigration, like the republican candidates are going to be fighting about same-sex marriage and if no democrat emerges, hillary clinton is goc to be running thinking about november 2016, we'll see if some democrat emerges, but you didn't see on the table riling now the rising star candidate to take her out. and because of that, she has such a huge advantage. while the republicans fight it out the next few months she's got a very good team. including in her chairman john pedesta, who's not afade to turn to her or to bill clairnd say no i think you've got this wrong. that was missing a bit last time. she is who she is

celebration in chicago of the passage of the americans with disabilities act. 25 years ago, senator bob dole tom harkin, president george h w bush ended up making history and really liberating a huge number of americans who are disabled from the binds they faced as being unseen and unheard and not part of america. i wonder if the ada could pass this congress today and i seriously doubt it could. it is an indication of our dysfunction and inability to address some of the basics. the transportation bill used to be one of the basics. some of us who have served for a while can remember when this was the easiest bill on capitol hill, totally bipartisan. members of the house were begging to serve on the public works committee so they can have a chance to grab a shovel and get a picture taken. we did it easily. without any heavy lift. now there is a serious question about whether this congress can pass a transportation bill. there are even members in the senate and house are arguing about whether they should be a federal transportation bill. obviously they have never heard of dwight d. eisenhower a

. >> that helped happened to bob dole and john mccain and mitt romney.nd then sadly last month from indiana. many of us believe if we don't have a fighter we will go down again. i would like your with the panel thinks about ted cruz who is a fighter who knows the issues and can articulate stick my thanks for bringing him up. he is discounted by a lot of people even some conservatives because of the "wall street journal" editorial page from the government shutdown but he has raised over $30 million and has had a great launch he may lose but he will not blow up dead people on the left are underestimating how right he is. >> and he benefits from the character depiction in because to come to an event like this people say i did not see it. he will certainly be a factor it is not a question he is despised by most members of both parties in congress in washington d.c.. i don't think that is the dash. [laughter] [applause] congress has the 16 percent approval rating that is the destructor we know we have seen over the past five decades and it has gotten us to he

he criticized bob dole and john king sic. by the end he was hired professional writers. he was making fun of himself being home alone. he had this whole sky. the first lady started relatively recently. they don't make fun of themselves exactly. they make fun of their husbands. that is considered okay. if hillary clinton as president and she gives one of the speeches, the whole town will want to know what she says about will clinton. >> this is going to be the last clip and it's back to where it the president's tools they have, social media, youtube, but it's also a difficult thing to manage because all day long people are commenting on their policies. one of those give and take away things. you've all seen this. to see how the tools we have of communications to advance policy, present an image of themselves. >> hey, everybody. i'm so excited to talk about the sixth anniversary. it's a big one in our theme this year celebrate the challenge. we will celebrate all the tremendous progress we've made. >> we are celebrating the anniversary. >> what exactly are we celebrating?

. >> is she the bob dole of the democrat party?ing is a possibility. >> yeah. stuart: now, our producers have been listening to what kelly paul has been saying as she starts her introduction of senator paul. she is mentioning that her his has been the one to go into minority areas, to address different audience. >> exactly. stuart: to go after, if i can ice the expression, to attempt to rope in different audiences and different supporters who have not traditionally been much of a part of the republican -- >> republicans don't even know what the expression for that is. democrats do. it is called outreach. they have a fancy name for it. it is broadening your base. reaching out to the entire community. >> that is great. that would work fine for a vice-presidential candidate. >> bill clinton just gave a lengthy interview with town and country magazine which describe what he and hillary plan to do next year, not campaigning reintroducing her to the american people in a soft way to alter her image. i'm paraphrasing. >> did he do in that

about bpc, it was founded in 2007 by four former senate majority leaders, howard baker, tom daschle, bob dole and george mitchell. this is the only think tank that is bipartisan, we pull together knowledgeable leaders of both parties to drive solutions to some of the country's most challenging problems. we do analysis. you have probably a copy of one of our recent reports that we'll be discussing today. negotiation among task forces and commissions that we put together and dialogue to develop bipartisan solutions that we think are the way forward on these issues. bpc has projects in multiple issue areas includes the immigration project. the immigration task force was formed in 2013 to work on bipartisan reforms and engage both parties to develop bipartisan legislation. the task force is co-chaired by former governors haley barbour, ed rendell, and former secretaries condoleeza rice and henry cisneros and includes business leaders, farmers members of cabinet and cabinet members and like former secretary michael chertoff a couple words about the project today. immigration reform legislation has

bob dole, republican from kansas , nancy kassebaum, republican from kansas.aryland. this is a place where friendships were made. i will never forget, hubert humphrey was on his last leg dying of cancer, going through intense chemotherapy. he died shortly thereafter. very goldwater walk up to him and them embracing. both crying. the entire united states senate rising to its feet for sustained , emotional applause. barry goldwater and hubert humphrey. as a consequence the senate functioned as it was designed. the nation in the midst of the turmoil in those early years that i served arrived at consensus. all of america was better for it. all those i mentioned, including former and current senators are with us today. they understood and understand no one has a corner on the truth. no one's perspective is the only perspective. each of them understood as teddy that our actions in this chamber must ultimately reflect the decent saying, the honor, and the capacity of the american people. that we are privileged to serve. i know it is the keys hope that thousands of yo

you write, was on television debating jack kemp bob dole. kemp is smart. a former buffalo bills quarterback who relishes verbal come about. i do, too so our exchange wag smart and caustic, as our dialogue went on back in kokomo, big mama made her way into the kitchen where my mother was watching me. oh my god, big mama said weather have to get in the car and get tavis before they come after him. >> guest: my grandmother was afraid when he walked in that kitchen and saw me on television, as my grandmother would say it now -- big mama died in her 90s, born and ratessed in mississippi at the height of segregation. big mama walked in the kitchen and saw her grandson on television sassing a white man. she didn't understand that i was being paid to have this debate with jack kemp on national television. i was a commentator, he was a commentator, we're getting paid to do this. she saw me on tv sassing a white man. one of the funniest stories of my life. she told my mother -- my mother called me and said tavis when you get this message meese call home. and i could

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background it was founded in 2007 by four former senate majority leaders howard baker tom daschle bob dole and george mitchell. epc is perhaps the only think tank in washington that is bipartisan which means we pull together knowledgeable leaders from both parties to drive solutions to some of the countries most challenging problems. we do analysis and you have probably a copy of the reports we are going to be discussing today. negotiation among task forces and commissions we have put together in dialogue to develop bipartisan solutions that they think are the way forward on these issues. bbcs projects in multiple areas including immigration project. our immigration task force was formed in 2013 to work toward bipartisan recommendations on immigration reform into engaged both parties to develop bipartisan legislation. the task force cochaired by former governors haley barbour and ed rendell former secretary condoleezza rice and henry cisneros and former members of congress business leaders advocates and other former cabinet secretaries including our first speaker today secretary michael ch

in chicago of the passage of the americans with disabilities act. 25 years, 25 years ago senator bob dole tom harken, president george h.w. bush ended up making history and really liberating huge number of americans who were disabled from the bonds that the -- the binds -- the binding that they faced in being unseen, unheard and not part of america. i said at that anniversary that i wondered if the ada could pass this congress today. and i really seriously doubt that it could. it's an indication of our dysfunction and our inability to address some of the basics. the transportation bill in washington used to be one of the basics. some of us who have served for a while can remember when this was the easiest bill on capitol hill. the easiest. totally bipartisan. members of the house begging to serve on the public works committee so they could have a chance to grab that shovel grab chose scissors and get a picture taken to help their districts and senators to help their states. and we did it easily. without any heavy lift. and now, there is a serious question about whether this congress can p

. >> joe, we saw what happened in jenin when bob dole gentlemen john mccain and '08 and gentlemen and in 12. and then sadly last month what happened to gentlemen mike pence in indiana. many of us in the grassroots believe that we don't have a fighter we're going to go down again and i haven't heard ted cruz has been mentioned. i would like what the panel thinks about ted cruz who is a fighter and does the constitution governor knows the issues and can articulate them. i haven't heard anything. i would like to hear what they think. >> thanks to bring up ted. ted was discounted by a lot of people even some conservative because "the wall street journal" editorial page, our good friend charles krauthammer because the government shutdown and now that blew up. but ted, ted has raised over $30 million. he had a great lunch. -- launch. and as we sat on the air ted cruz may lose but ted cruz isn't going to blow up at all the people on the left or paint him as a cartoon character are underestimate just how bright this guy is. >> and the benefits frankly found that caricature cartoon character d

one morning in the late 90's when that cap part -- deck gephardt was on, i asked him of bob dole ever let newt gingrich the $120,000. after i got the call on air newt gingrich stepped out of public office. i talked about bill clinton and it kennedy. public shaming, as long as it's the truth and you stick to evidence is wonderful. i hear a lot of people smear the president for reasons that they can't back up what they are saying, that is wrong. you need to hold the people who do bring the shaming up. it's good for society. i got my comment taken away. they said i could come to the meetings but i could not speak because they don't like people bringing the truth up. my chief of police tried to beat me up in the hallway. the public works director was threatening to beat me up and the chief of police told me i was instigating. caller: a caller said it's bullying. i think some people deserve to be shamed. especially george ws -- george w. bush. they planned to go into iraq even without wmd. a thousand soldiers have been killed. close to a million iraqis. to make it worse, he joked at a pres

. >> they took down bob dole in '95. >> for being the same age. >> being too old. >> john mccain theyou which is your favorite. a howard university in washington, d.c. a couple lost their dog. they put up flyers. hundreds of those looking for ollie, apparently the police didn't like it. they threatened the family. take those down or we'll fine you $750,000. three quarters of a million dollars for putting up the signs. they want the change the law. as probably should be the case. >> they're still looking for their dog. we shift to augusta georgia where you grow up and play basketball it's a healthy thing to do. those hoops are soon to be banned. the commissioner saying they're not safe. he wants to clean up the image of augusta. because they block the roads they will be banned. >> i don't think i'll have this problem, but here's a story of an oregon runner in front. >> hands up. >> then he gets beat by a tenth of a second by the second place finisher. shows you should never give up and you should never declare a wind. >> he got cocky. >> he heard of excessive celebration, but early ce

by donny's argument, we should have gone with bob dole or george h.w.sh thfdinstead of bill clinton, we should have gone with john mccain. these are men with incredible military and foreign policy experience, but america chose to go another direction. >> you can't lump everybody in and say everybody has to be experienced. i'm saying to me this particular candidate to me, he does not read where he's got the weight. you can have weight even with five years experience. i'm talking about this particular candidate. >> i think it's in the eye of the beholder. >> if you go if a republican primary, which of the candidates can turn to marco rubio and say you don't have as much experience on foreign policy as icruz two years. rand paul, same amount of time as rubio. scott walker chris christie george bush, ben carson, which can say i have more foreign policy than you. >> rick perry is a veteran. lindsey graham has more experience. john kasich was on foreign affairs. besides that rubio is not behind anybody else. >> and by the way, jeb bush is the guy that grew up

. >> we saw what happened to bob dole in 96, but mccain -- john mccain in 98 and sadly what happened to mike pence in indiana. many of us in the grassroots believe it we don't have a fighter, we're going to go down again. i haven't heard ted cruz's name mentioned. i would like to hear the panel thinks about ted cruz, who is a fighter, who knows the constitution, who knows the issues and can articulate them. i haven't heard anything, i like to hear what they think. -- >> ted has raised over $30 million. he had a great launch. as we have said on the air, ted cruz may lose, but ted cruz isn't going to blow up. and all the people on the left that are painting him as a cartoon character are underestimating just how bright this guy is. >> he benefits from the caricature defection. -- depiction. he will come to an event like this and people will say i didn't see his horns. he is going to be a factor. he is despised by most members of both parties in congress, and in washington dc. i don't see that as a negative. [applause] stephen: congress has a 60% approval rating, i think ted cruz has wi