[applause] [inaudible conversations] >> where you're at national press club with bob drury and tom clavin, talking about the poor, their new book. >> guest: the only thing you have to know about raincloud. he is the only american indian to ever win a war, not a battle, you were against the united states. president andrew johnson, general of the army ulysses s. grant, checkout the western army after two years. we'll keep you anything you want. that says it all. >> tell us more. >> red cloud was somebody nobody knows today because we don't know about american indians at the 1800s. a lot of what this book is about is not the fighting that went on, but what was life like in 1840, 1850, 1860, red clauss, crazy worst, sitting bill. when they were fighting each other, fighting other tribes. the excitement about what the great plains were like the early 1800s. >> at one point, raincloud, he would never call it an empire in our lexicon, he was one fifth of the contiguous united states. he controlled from canada down to the colorado, was not in arizona, new mexico border east of minnesota to salt l

we are here at the national press club with bob drury and tom clavin talking about "the heart of everything that was" their new book. tell us who was red cloud? >> the only thing you have to know about red cloud is he is the only american indian to ever win an award not a battle or a war against the united states. president andrew johnson, general of the army's ulysses s. grant generals of the western army tecumseh sherman went to him and said after two years of kicking out that, what do you want? we will give you anything you want. i think that says it all about red cloud. >> tell us more.

we are here at the national press club with bob drury and tom clavin talking about "the heart of everything that was" their new book. tell us who was red cloud? >> the only thing you have to know about red cloud is he is the only american indian to ever win an award not a battle or a war against the united states. president andrew johnson, general of the army's ulysses s. grant generals of the western army tecumseh sherman went to him and said after two years of kicking out that, what do you want? we will give you anything you want. i think that says it all about red cloud. >> tell us more. >> red cloud was somebody that nobody knows today because there's so much we don't know about american indians in the 1800's. a lot of what this book is about is not just the fighting that went on but what was life like in 1840, 1850, 1860. red cloud, crazy horse, sitting bull all these great leaders. what were they like as young men when they were fighting each other and fighting other tribes? that is a big part of the book, the excitement and drama of what the great plains were like in the early 1800's