bob dylan bob marley as well, they are artists. they have those commercial success in their usyouth based n poppish records, but at some point in their lives toward middle age they became almost someone else. they went through a spiritual journey, and a person but was born was a much more spiritualized person, focused on being alive, and i think there are times when an artist needs to just represent there is something more than what we see in front of ourselves, and when i see bobb marley or curtis mayfield, i know there is a gond. it does not matter what they are saying. the sound of their voice and the conviction of their soul, you know there is a god. and mohammad ali is one of my biggest euros. tavis: -- biggest heroes. tavis: he just turned 70. >> i did not like to see him getting a speedup -- getting beat up, but he underwent this transformation. he became this other person. he changed his name, and i was like, where did he go, but i understand it was a spiritual transformation, so there are interesting characters, and i read an interview with muhammed ali's daughter, and they ask, do you believe in god, and she said, all i have to do to know there is a god is a look at my father. i feel the same about bob dylan and curtis. i think curtis wrote the best song about jesus ever, but in bob dylan's case, it was particularly the christian songs i loved, and i love loads of stuff as well, and my brother came in with his record, and i had grown ups in the countr

. >> what i love about curtis and bob dylan and bob marley, they were artistic, if you watched the life of curtis mayfield and bobll had this commercial success. it was based on pop records. what happened to the three of them, at some point, they became almost someone else. they went on a spiritual journey, some type of spiritual rebirth. the person that was born was much more spiritualized. there are times when an artist needs to represent without saying anything. when i see bob dylan or bob marley, i know there is a god. it does not matter what they are saying. it is the conviction of their soul. they are just standing there and you know there is a god. he is the same. he is a boxer and i did not like that when i was a little girl. it did not make any sense to me at all. but he is a character, he underwent this transformation. he became a different person, muhammed ali. where has he gone? what has happened? then i understood. it was a spiritual transformation. four very interesting characters to me. daughter, they times to believe in god. -- they asked her if she believed in god. she said, all i have to do to b