bob eisen, head of research at the atlanta fed laid it out. the congress doesn't make money from the fed. it's an expense, you know, they get back the treasury's money less the fed's operating costs. cfpb too, by the way. >> that's changed by mortgages, chris. >> 1.8 trillion of mortgages. >> yeah. >> we're subsidizing fanny and freddie. >> that's right. other points? about new chairman of the fed? relation between fed and treasury? any other part of the government. >> the current administration seems to be somewhat unorthodox, to put it nicely, so i mean, i don't know. it's hard to say. i mean, historically this notion of fed independence doesn't hold up. it just doesn't. yes, volcker comes along, does something different. okay. yes, there is sort of this aura of operational independence and a degree of operational independence. but, over the long haul, they're not independent. >> no. >> you remember what former fed chairman arthur burns said, which was we can't exercise our independence or else we might lose it. >> that's right. >> other --