. >> bob erlich, former governor of yamaryland, with us this morning. we're taking your calls as well. 202-7 202-748-8000 if you're in the central or eastern time zones. special phone line set up in this segment if you have experience in the criminal justice system. it's 202-748-8002. governor erlich, with the group signatory of the principles of the group right on crime, come back to that group for a second. talk about what conservative criminal justice reform means. >> for some, the motivation here are socioeconomic. for some, the motivation is racial. i think it's fair to say for those of us right on crime, the motivation is justice. we know that criminal justice systems, state and federal, are man made. they can be broken. they can give us unfair results. injustice being the enemy of what government should be. so particularly as a governor, by the way, you have extraordinary pair. some state constitutions give x extraordinary power to correct wrong. we took that very seriously. for the most part, unilaterally, we focused on pardons and come youation