. >> in 1960, she -- we'd have a scheduling committee which include don hughes, bob finch, rosemary wood and myself. and she was very key figure in all that. she also -- she didn't try to come up with new policy but she could influence nixon's view on it because she was always very frank with him. never any conversation rosemary wood had, wasn't very direct one. so sometimes we'd have a problem and she'd be our go-between. but she was a very smart woman, totally dedicated to him. but said he had a great sense of humor, loved to dance and things like that. but her whole life was really completely devoted to richard nixon. >> how would you describe her political views? >> she was republican moderate. her view was shaped by richard nixon. her role to be able to speak up to him if she thought he was about to do something wrong in what he was doing or what he was saying. you mentioned the fact that you thought kennedy had used issue as a religion in '63. >> kennedy said he was going to test west virginia to see whether -- how they feel against catholics. he made that sort of the key issue in

bob finch and i, who have been close to dick nixon for all those years, never did that. >> is it his temper with a flare up? >> yeah. he would sound off, get it off his chest, and just ignore it. >> in your book you do talk you saw him as probably wanted him fired. >> yeah. colson was the toughest person in the administration and he did a lot of things which i object to, to this day. i think that the pressure he was putting on jed mcgruter to some of the things he did on the break-in. i can't prove that. i don't think colson ordered it anyway but mcgruter did. i have a theory on how mcgruter got john mitchell to approve it but again that's my speculation. john had a wife who could be a very big problem sometimes. she'd speak out at all hours of the day or not about what are was bothering her. one of my jobs was try to take care of martha mitchell as well. that was me. so he was taking a little vacation in in order. jed mcgruter came down with a list of things he wanted to prove for the committee and my theory is that he waited until about the last and martha mitchell was yeg at john,

, he and i have had our meeting of the ways and renewed our friendship before he died, and i and bob finch had lunch one time to talk it all ou out: i think he just became too consumed with power. the probably was that he had a lot of young guys who -- they would tell the cabinet officer the president wants them. probably the only time they had seen the president in weeks had been on television. and he had a few -- too much power was given -- the president delegated too much power to haldeman, ehrlichman and colson. the kind of language he used that came out i've never heard him use any time when i've been around him. he might swear a little bit like i've said damn orr hell sometimes, but that was about it. he'd never use that kind of language. >> did you actually talk to the president? >> no, i didn't go to the president with that kind of thing. i talked to haldeman about it. >> you knew sometimes haldeman wasn't carrying your [ inaudible ]. >> i wasn't sure what he did or what he didn't. i was in haldeman's office one time when kissinger threatened to resign because rogers was getting to

and i and bob finch had lunch one time to talk it all out. in fact ghb his boktfact, in hi kind to us book. i think he just was consumed with power. the problem was he had a lot of young guys who, they would tell a cabinet officer the president wants this, be probably the only time they'd seen the president were in the weeks he'd been on television and he had a few too much power was given to -- the president delegated too much power to haldeman and ehrliurla. the kind of language that came out of him, he would never use that kind of language. >> did you actually talk to the president? >> no, i didn't go to the president with that kind of thing. i talked to haldeman about it. >> you knew sometimes haldeman was carrying your mail. wasn't delivering your mail. >> well, i wasn't sure what he did or what he didn't. i was in haldeman's office one time when kissinger threatened to resign because rogers was getting too much play. we had to calm kissinger down. so i never knew one way or the other but the first big fight i had with colson was over he