bob francis, is a former voice chairman of the ntsb. bob, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> a gunman attacked a luxury hotel in the capital, frequented by foreigners in afghan official tells reuters all four gunman were killed in the attack. the officials says two guards were wounded but no guests were hurt. the heavily guarded hotel is considered a safe vain for united nations staff. just over two weeks before the presidential election, and coming up on al jazeera america, wall street bounces back after fears that the fed may raise interest rates sooner rather than later. we will tell you what to look out for. and after a shortage, texas gets it's hands on a new batch of drugs for execution. but refuses to say where they came from. wall street.e 180 from the dow. bouncing back nearly 900-points from yesterday's sell off. some re assessing comments from fed chair that interest rates may have to rise sooner rather than later. maybe sooner than expected. certainly. real money joining us now, and alley, who should we be listening to here? >>

. >> let's bring in bob francis, a former vice chairman of the faggsal safety transport board.d to see you. my big first question is are we reaching the point where we may have to come to the grips of reality where rescue crews may never find the missing airliner? >> i think that we are reaching a point where we have to consider that. and, you know, a lot of people have been talking about the air france aircraft that was lost going across the atlantic. it took a long time to get - to find that aircraft. but that was simpler, because they were on a route that had been in a flight plan, so basically what you were looking at was a strip probably not many miles wide. so i think you talk about a couple of years there. i think you have a realistically... >> the air france flight had a lot more information to go off of. it makes me wonder, when you look at the air france crash, who was in charge of keeping the search going. i ask because we are probable going to reach a point where other countries, india, vietnam, thailand and the united states, will have to move on and do other thing

let me follow up with bob francis, if i might. bob, two questions. what do you think of the practicality of installing those kinds of realtime satellite monitoring flight data systems on all aircraft across the world, number one, could it be done, would it be too expensive. and number two, i assume the black box that this plane would have been equipped has some sort of pinger device and how long would that last at the bottom of the ocean? >> the kind of system that was just described, there are a lot of people working on that same kind of thing, so i think it's inevitable, whether his system will turn out to be the system, or it will be more widespread, we'll have to see. the pinger, i think they go for two or three days. >> just two or three days. >> yeah. >> so it could be dead by now, the battery on that thing could be dead. >> that's my recollection. so i would stand to be corrected but it seems to me that it's two or three days. >> i thought it was a little longer than that but you have done these investigations so we will let it stand there. bo

bob francis is with me, the former vice chairman of the ntsb, also with the cnn law enforcement analystso we're getting lots of nothing so far because they haven't found a piece of the wreckage, for some reason they believe they believe it's the oil slick. if you were looking at this now, bob, what is your gut feeling about what the next most important step is? >> i think the most important step, as with most major accidents, is to try to get the recorders off the airplane. >> off the bottom of the -- >> wherever they are. hopefully it isn't too deep where the aircraft is, and they'll be able to go down and get them fairly quickly. >> and is it possible for one of those data boxes or all the data boxes to disintegrate? if a plane disintegrated at 35,000 feet, would the data boxes go with it? >> i've never heard of that having happened in my time doing accident investigation, which is a fair amount of time. those things are tough cookies. >> it's possible or probable they're someplace and the question is whether they're too deep. >> yes. i can't believe that they're too deep. the problem

in washington, bob francis, a former vice chairman of the national transportation safety board and oversaw a number of airline crash investigations. welcome, gentlemen. >> morning, carol. >> bob, i want to start with you. unnamed u.s. sources told "the wall street journal" that rolls royce, which makes the plane's engines, picked up pulses of data from the plane's engines after it disappeared from radar. can you make sense of that for us? >> well, i think that's entirely possible. you know, its engine monitoring and monitoring the performance of the aircraft and it's a known -- it's a known quality, quantity. the interesting thing is that the story comes out so much later than, you know, here we are four or five days later. what was going on in the meantime? >> what was going on in the meantime? nothing because i've often wondered. i know ntsb investigators are in malaysia help with the investigation, as are faa investigators. but how much input do you think they really have? >> well, it's -- i would hope they have a lot because there's certainly nobody more competent to do this kind of th

. >> with me now bob francis former vice chairman of the ntsb.d morning. >> good morning. >> in your mind, are malaysian authorities hiding anything? >> i don't think they are hiding anything. but i do wonder sometimes that the most recent thing, a minister saying that he thinks that there's some reason for hope throughout this, the malaysian government has not, have not shown at all, they've been -- they've delayed and i can see why the families would be unhappy given what they had to put up with from the malaysian government up to now. >> we found the word hope used in the public briefing this morning unusual too or confusing, i should say because did he mean there's hope that these passengers might be alive or did he mean that there's hope we will find some sort of debris in the water? we couldn't tell. >> well, i think that, again, if it is possible to construe it as the former, it's the height of irresponsibility. and before you get up before the world and start talking you better have some idea of what you're going to say and how it's going

joining me now, bob francis, former vice chairman of the ntsb. ks for being here. i appreciate it. officials stress these batteries were packed properly and according to all guidelines. in your mind, could they really pose a danger? >> potentially, they could. fire is certainly one of the things that we're considering. as we look at what happened out there. i think that perhaps lithium batteries in the cargo hold might have sent us down some trails that are a little different than this but given how little is really understood of the entirety of what happened, it's something that's going to have to be looked at just as closely as anything else. >> what do you mean, if lithium batteries are to blame, they would have sent us down different paths. >> well, i think that instead of focusing on the cockpit of the airplane and the controls, et cetera, that there would have been other things that would have been happening if the fire had been a general fire in the aircraft coming up in the cargo hold. >> the pilots would have had time to sound some sort o

francis joins us from washington. good to have you with us this morning at this hour. bob, we know you have been involved in several investigations following accidents, the explosion of twa flight 800 off long island. the value jet crash in the florida everglades. i have to ask you, when you hear that the malaysian air pilots didn't indicate they that were any problems, they were having any issues, there was no distress signal, what does that make you think? what's your immediate thought? >> something similar to twa 800 or to a uta flight that was in africa or pan am 103. for some reason, the aircraft blew up and there was no signal. there was nothing. you have to just go out of your way to try to figure out where it is. that may take some time. it hasn't disappeared forever. >> the list of nos goes beyond the no communication for the pilot. there is no trace of where it may have gone on the radar. there is no debris field. there are no signals from the so-called black boxes, the flight data recorders. what does that tell you? >> it tells you that it is something unprecede

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. >> bob francis, former investigator for the ntsb, told me the co-pilot, the 27-year-old, is much morehow he put it, than the captain is. he sites this young man's lack of experience as a factor. do you agree? >> well, it is hard to say, carol, because aviation more so than any profession that i know of aviation throughout the world has very, very high standards. even someone who has a relative lack of experience, even so, his training to be a pilot was very good. >> that he supposedly allowed two young women into the cockpit to take pictures was against regulation in malaysia, does that send up a red flag? you say you don't like pilots that are impulsive. >> yeah, that would be a red flag. anyone who doesn't take that job seriously, anyone who acts without thinking about the consequences of the actions, yes. of all the things i've heard, that would be the biggest red flag. >> that would be the biggest one. >> when an investigation begins, tell me if i'm asking you a question outside of your area of expertise, when an investigation begins into pilots of air mishaps, what do investigato

let's bring in former ntsb vice chairman bob francis. thanks for joining me.et's focus on those pilots. malaysia airline says the last words "all right good night" probably came from the co-pilot at 1:19 a.m. on saturday after some communication systems were shut down. why wouldn't air traffic controllers ask the pilots about that? >> i think they would. and there seems to be the communication seems to have just ended at that point. >> what would have been done in the united states if this had happened? let's just take it from there. if a communications system so important was shut down and you heard from the co-pilot after that happened, what would you do? >> well, i think that you try to make sure -- i mean there's so much redundancy in terms of communication. you want to make sure you don't have any, have any communication and at that point i would imagine that there would be launching of aircraft, military aircraft to see what was going on. >> as far as we know, that wasn't done in the malaysia situation? >> that wasn't done in the malaysian situation. alt

. >> bob francis, tom fuentes, thanks to both of you. >>> a u.s.royer on its way to help as the search for that missing plane expands to the indian ocean. we'll head to the pentagon for more on the u.s. involvement in this unprecedented search. it's a growing trend in business: do more with less with less energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees. that's a trend we can all get behind. ♪ ♪ ♪ told ya you could do it. (dad vo) i want her to be safe. so, i taught her what i could and got her a subaru. (girl) piece of cake. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. [ chicken caws ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums! >>> as the search

. >> bob fran yo francis, good tou on the program, glad for your insight. >>> you're welcome. >> osama bin laden's son-in-law convicted. >>> a growing number of female veterans struggling osurvive. >> welcome back to al jazeera america. i'm john siegenthaler in new york. we've got a lot to cover this half hour including the president and the pope. the two leaders meet tomorrow in italy. plus, a win for big time college athletes. a new decision allows northwestern's team to unionize. >>> it's not your typical paycheck, beer and tobacco but keeping alcoholics out of trouble. but first richelle is back with the headlines. richelle. >> john, another investigation into officer shooting in new mexico. officers say they were responding to a 911 call that said a man was holding a child as gunpoint. they say the suspect fired at them and they fired back. but neighbors and the man's family insist he was unarmed. this is the 24th person to be killed in an albuquerque involved police shooting in less than five years. >>> in washington state the search for survivors of a deaf stating mudslide is in

thank you very much and let's go to bob and he is the former vice chairman of the international safety board and joins us by phone from washington as well. mr. francis, based on what you just heard what had to happen in order for the malaysia prime minister to say that? >> i did not hear him speaking. >> reporter: he basically concluded that the search for the missing plane itself, they now conclude that it has gone down in the south indian ocean and said he notified the families that the airliner itself, he now believes went down in that area and that the missing plane is now lost. >> well, i think that is a perfectly legitimate and fair thing to say to the families and to everyone. i mean, all of these reports coming of debris being down in the southern indian ocean are -- have not come or amounted to anything. and i don't know if they have seen something down there that they identify as positively being from an aircraft. i'd be surprised. >> reporter: that is what i was sort of alluding to, do you think he is privy to some information we are not and they might have located some debris field and then he concludes that the plane itself went down in

bob redell, "today in the bay." >> thank you. >>> at 5:07, president obama on his way to see italy's president after meeting pope francis for the first time. after being led through halls by swiss guards at the vatican, the president boud as he shook hands with the pontiff. mr. obama told the pope he is a great admirerer. the two exchanged gifts. we'll tell you about those when we get a live report in about 30 minutes. that's a tough one. what do you take the pope? >> for the man who wants nothing. >> yes. exactly. a man who bestows so much on so many. >> we've got a gift of our own, that is rain. let's check in with meteorologist christina loren. good morning. >> what a troop. once we called the drought here in the bay area we brought it up to the extreme level, the rain showers started coming in. and consistently. so every single week so far we've had a little bit of rain for the past four weeks. i can tell you right now today, it's going to be pretty good. a few light showers and then we get pounded as we head throughout saturday through wednesday. so we've got an active pattern that sticks with us and we need this rain so m

bob simon with new information from his "60 minutes" report ahead on "cbs this morning." headlines... san franci headlines around the bay area on monday now. san francisco police, are looking for a gunman who hurt 7 people in a drive by shooting happening near turk and taylor streets at 9:00 last night. witnesses say the shooter did not seem like he was targeting anyone specifically. >>> san jose police officer will be arraigned on rape charges later today. 38-year-old geoffrey graves responded to a domestic dispute. dropped the woman off an a hotel and came back later and assaulted her. >>> the wall street journal says talks are in the early stages but the goal here is to replace cable boxes as they exist today and allow users to stream live and on demand shows out of their apple tv box. traffic and weather coming up right after the break. ore than a new interior lighting system. ♪ ♪ it is more than a hot stone massage. and more than your favorite scent infused into the cabin. it is a completely new era of innovation. and the highest expression of mercedes-benz. introducing the 2014 s-class. th

bob is making light of all of this, in reality, brian makes a very good point. president obama very smart to get next to a guy with an 85% approval rating. >> pope francis is a uniter, someone who has united so many standing next to someone who has divided. president obama has been unable to unite our country and pope francis has united so many people under catholicism. >> where do they differ? >> of course he doesn't want to talk about religious freedom. look at hobby lobby and all these issues. he's not fighting to protect religious freedom. >> go back and look at popes until you get back to the inquisition. after that -- >> a president is supposed to unite people. >> 85% rating even among popes is pretty substantial. >> it is. >> in terms of specific issues, stem cell, abortion, gay marriage and, of course, health care which you talked about with hobby lobby, but i also thought with this type of popularity and this type of special pope at his age, at 74, comes off much younger. i'm just wondering if the president could have taken advantage of this pope like reagan took advantage of john paul. >> great point. >> let's take a listen to what president obama said at

bob can retire at a more appropriate age. it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. >>> this morning, my question, what do we mean when we say inner city men. plus, pope francisfforts to suppress the vote that aren't even city subtle. first, russian troops positioned on the border of ukraine as crimea's referendum vote approaches and the world is watching for what comes next. >>> good morning. i'm jonathan capehart in for melissa harris-perry. 16 hours. that's the amount of time the world will have to wait in the geopolitical chess match between russia and ukraine. crimea is caught in the middle. escalation of events