made a point, even when we discovered hiv, the virus which was discovered by luc montagnier and bob gallo, we made a point of associating with the patients. we would go into the rooms. we would have lunch. we would eat the with the patients to say that this is not contagious. and i continue that, even up until recently when i go to poor countries and i see a woman or a man with aids in a dark hut off to the side in the darkness and nobody's going near them. i walk right over, sit on the bed, grab their hands, and hold on to them, because not only is it not contagious, but they need help -- they need psychological help. they need the same compassion as with any other disease. >> and that's really important to remind people even these days. we tend to think, in this country, that the aids epidemic is over, but for those who are still afraid of it, there are precautions you can take --uld r people who might still be afraid of this? >> well, we take universal precautions because we don't know oftentimes what we're dealing with. so, for example, the anthrax epidemic. as much as we talk about t