in this context it is interesting to note that bob gates in his memoirs -- and he was deputy director of intelligence at the time -- is much more equivocal about soviet thinking, because in the same paragraph he writes, "there is a good chance with all of the other events in 1983 that the soviet leaders really felt a nato attack was at least possible and that they took a number of measures to enhance their military readiness short of mobilization. the soviet leaders may not have believed a nato attack was imminent, but they did seem to believe the situation was dangerous." in a study in the collection on the dvd's that the cia -- that was done for the cia in the late 1990's by ben fisher, an interesting study of the whole crisis, he comes to the conclusion that in the late 1983, the soviet leaders and in particular yuri andropov, that ronald reagan might launched weapons against the soviet union. and there's commentary on a later study by's foreign intelligence board, in the late- 1980s, that criticized the earlier cia estimates for being dangerously relaxed, in other words dangerousl

you call bob gates and say i made a decision. you have a phone right there that has a button.cretary of state so they know it comes from you. you need to call them yourself. and he would. >> he would like to be part of the conversation. [laughter] that made for a lively set of interchanges. he had a lot of perspective to what he heard from the process. like to get people in a room to discuss it. he was suspicious of the -- if you got a consensus. he said that sounds wrong to me and he would tell you all the reasons that was a bad choice. often he would come around and agree with the consensus but he wanted to test it and want to know what the thinking was behind it. there are some more -- there is more formal -- he wanted to probe and understand the thinking and to test his own questions against the thinking of others. and with a very interactive process with him. he did not easily decide on the spot. he likes to come back and tell people why he decided that. steve mentioned this as well, we became conscious of his own responsibility for the decisions. he would always say afte

. >> as bob gates famously said. you've watched this over the years in different administrations, democrats and republicans have wrestled with the challenge. democratic and republican presidents. former president clinton once told me that they were prepared to take steps towards normalized relations. that was the logical output of madeleine albright's signature visit, the first meetings with kim jong-il and time ran out. because of the bush versus gore legal dispute, president clinton decided to focus on talks on the middle east rather than go outside the country for a lot of reasons. you couldn't do both the middle east and north korea and time ran out and then the bush white house reversed whatever momentum had been taking place. but at the same time, the north was cheating, so -- >> and it remains a very difficult challenge. and the fundamental question and certainly you know, the world has evolved since november 2000 where president made that difficult calculation. and my question for the north korean leadership

secretary of defense bob gates, was in country. >> iranian dissidents actually live in iraq, and they're losing their space where they've felt protected and moving elsewhere. let's talk about it with our panel. this camp ashraf situation is delicate. >> this will put us in a terrible position, because we will get dragged into it. the u.s. government is trying to continue to partner with iraq to secure -- for their own security, but we're trying at the same time to stay out of the sectarian tension and political chaos that is mounting there. we find the prime minister now, he wants these people out. they'll be moved to a former u.s. base, and there's no final home. there's plans for a transfer, or what they call resettlement, without u.s. troops, u.n. monitors, everyone is concerned they won't be safe there, there will be violence, do the residents of the camp even want to be moved to the interim place. he's defending the sovereignty of iran throughout. this is going to be a mess, and we will find ourselves having to take a side, and it's going to be a very tough situation as we try to th

that large-scale american land force investment in the middle east, bob gates is right, those days arever. >> what about the other major headwind in the united states, this global economic crisis? you sau see it playing out in europe right now? >> one of the reasons i think the united states is engaging in what's called strategic rebalance toward asia is the barometer of power increasingly is defined by economics and less and less by military might. we can't actually achieve our goals in iraq and afghanistan, military, it takes a lot of political muscle. the fact that we have ignored what's been happening in asia with the re-emergens of china and south korea, strong economies, but the challenge is looking at europe and can it survive? one of the things that is so interesting about the world in the 21st century how we're moving through a global world and the regional blocks. can it unite around whether it's a financial unit or a constitutional or common political goal? >> our last 45 seconds, how perilous is what's happening in europe right now, given the largest market for the u.s.? >>

you call bob gates and say i made a decision. you have a phone right there that has a button. you need to tell the secretary of state so they know it comes from you. you need to call them yourself. and he would. >> he would like to be part of the conversation. [laughter] that made for a lively set of interchanges. he had a lot of perspective to what he heard from the process. like to get people in a room to discuss it. he was suspicious of the -- if you got a consensus. he said that sounds wrong to me and he would tell you all the reasons that was a bad choice. often he would come around and agree with the consensus but he wanted to test it and want to know what the thinking was behind it. there are some more -- there is more formal -- he wanted to probe and understand the thinking and to test his own questions against the thinking of others. and with a very interactive process with him. he did not easily decide on the spot. he likes to come back and tell people why he decided that. steve mentioned this as well, we became conscious of his own responsibility for the decisions.

the third point i would make is that as bob gates said, who served both president bush and president obama, it is a lot less expensive to make more friends and your enemies and it is to go to war. therefore, this is a important part of our national security strategy. all during the time there was controversy over the iraq war and america was disliked widely in many parts of the world, our popularity and never flagged in the southeastern africa because of this program because people thought we cared whether their kids lived or died. the visibility of the gates of foundation helped. i will never forget when we went out on a sunday afternoon to a 100% muslim area in tanzania, to announce what we were trying to do in malaria and merge it with that aids problem. in a village of about 1000 people, 12,000 people showed up. they did not come to see me. most of them did not remember who i was. they came partly because nobody was home watching pro football. but mostly because they were really smart. they thought this was about whether our children live or die. if we could get that message to t

once the analysts saw that and saw the story, several of the senior people like bob gates, like one ofey looked at this and said it cannot be right. what gorbachev is doing is going to lead to the end of the soviet union. that had the story, but the could not believe the story could be right. indeed, the story did not have to be right, but for gorbachev, that magnificent bungler who had no idea what to do about it, the soviet union might have gone along for a few more years. very hard to make a prediction when one depends ultimately on the actions and ineptitude of one particular soviet leader. just a word about capabilities. the challenge of putting economic, social politics it together -- we have lost a lot of that capacity to do what i think of a strategic analysis that puts a particular issue in a wider context. we have been through a very tactical period, including the cia, and those are mostly puzzle solving exercises, not mystery framing exercises. i had the opportunity to walk around various agencies a few years ago and asked about the state of analysis in the various intellige

michael, the former defense secretary, bob gates, who made this reference that maybe kim jong un is responsible or behind those attacks. do you believe that to be true? >> good morning, jenna. the truth is we don't know. the biggest problem we have we understand so little about how this government works, who's really in power and how decisions are made and it is entirely likely kim jong un was part of the decision process to make those attacks last year precisely to try to solidify his position as heir apparent. don't forget he wasn't the first choice or second choice. he is the third choice. he had to have allies to show that he would continue the same type of provocative action his father did. jenna: you mentioned we no so little. so very select few have been to north korea. we talked to a few security analysts, a few government officials. that makes it so mysterious, michael, about what exactly we should fear when it comes to north korea. how would you answer that question? just for any of us out there, average american people, you know what should we really pay attention to when it comes to

in the third point i would make is that as the former defense secretary bob gates said, who served both president bush and president obama, it's a lot less expensive to make more friends and fewer enemies and it is to go to war and, therefore, this is an important part of our national security strategy. altering the time when there was controversy over the iraq war and america was disliked widely in many parts of the world, our popularity never flag in southeastern africa because of the pepfar program, because people thought whether their kids lead to die. i think the visibility of the gates foundation and perhaps some of the work we did also helped, i will never forget when we went out, bill gates and i went out on a sunday afternoon to 100% muslim area in tanzania to announce what we're trying to do in malaria to merge it with the aids problem. and in a village of about 1000 people, 12,000 people showed up. now, they didn't come to see me. most of them didn't remember who i was, and i think they came because it was partly nobody was home watching pro football, but mostly because they

if you remember when bob gates left office as secretary of defense he said any of my successors who sends hundreds of thousands of american troops to fight land wars in the middle east or asia needs his head examined, the consequence of iraq will be no more large wars like this for the united states. >> and yet we're in afghanistan and weafghanistan. >> we're winding that down, not fast enough. again, this is the end of that era, of american foreign policy. strategic distractions and distortions. >> and yet, mika, you have lindsey graham wanting to invade syria, and we're going to have a drum beat to invade iran, and other senators talking about invading yemen from time to time. >> and you -- >> where have they been? >> you heard john mccain yesterday. >> yeah. senator john mccain. >> this will continue and it'll be a question that will confront the presidential candidates. let's get to the latest in politics there because there's some interesting twists and turns there to report on. the latest polling out of new hampshire shows mitt romney still leading the republican field with 38% supp

bob gates. >> brian: how could they do that and not be embarrassed?t characterization. but it seems that in this case, what is it if it's not that? i don't understand how they avoid reality by talking around it and i think shame on them. they should be specific. >> brian: you could say war is workplace violence because the soldiers are doing their job and getting shot at by the enemy. it's workplace violence. >> i only point one of the worst records of violence was the american sergeant who killed five of his colleagues in camp victory back in iraq. that could perhaps have been called workplace violence. but clearly here you had a motivation and incentive and the catalyst was an affiliation and association and identification with muslim radicals. >> brian: didn't he say allah akbar? >> he did. but this is a great big report and the word islamic or, you know, not mentioned. >> brian: it's an embarrassment. >> gretchen: something else is this holiday package and i don't know how it can be gaining steam because we first heard of a professor on the east c

if bob gates, secretary of defense under bush and obama would run for office he would be my ideal candidaten iran and sick of washington and done a lot of public service. but there's a hunger for that sort of person. i was hoping mitch daniels would run. the governor of indiana. he is that sort of person. he gets the job done. and frankly as i look around the country, i see lot of mayors and governors who are just like that. they are not big ideological people. they like to get the job done. rahm emanuel in chicago does a good job. los angeles, there is a whole series of local law officials who really do good government. mostly at the big washington level we have a problem. >> host: how is the president doing? >> guest: i am disappointed he didn't do simpson bowls. i was disappointed the way the debt was run up. i don't blame him for running up the debt in a recession but we needed an exit strategy to get out of it. i think he could have done more to promote growth. given all the bad things that have built up in the financial system it was going to be tough no matter who was president no ma

you know, if bob gates who was secretary of defense under bush and obama, he'd be just about my idealink he'd be a really good president. he's not going to run, he's sick of washington, he's done a lot of public service, i don't blame him. but i think there's a hunger for that sort of person. i sort of was hoping mitch daniels would run, the governor of indiana, because he also is that sort of person. just a good manager, low key, gets the job done. and, frankly, as i look around the country, i see a lot of mayors and governors who are just like that who they're not big ideological people, they just like to get the job done. i think rahm emanuel in chicago's doing a good job, mayorville rosa in los angeles, a whole series of officials doing good government. >> host: so how is the president doing? >> guest: you know, i think i'm a little disappointed that he didn't do simpson-bowles, i was a little disappointed in the way the debt has run up, and i don't blame him for running up the debt in the recession, but i think we needed an exit strategy to get out of it. i think he could have do

made my decision, here's what it is, you call condi, condi rice, secretary of state, or you call bob gates no, mr. president, you've got a phone right there that has a button, goes right to the secretary of state. push the button, you need to tell the secretary of state so they know it comes from you. they're the chain of command. i'm a staff person. you need to call them yourself. and he would. >> it won't surprise anybody to know that president clinton liked to be part of the conversation. and that made for a very lively set of interchanges. he's a person who's a voracious reader. he had a lot of sources of information and perspective beyond what he was hearing through the formal process, and he liked to get people in a room and discuss it. he was inherently suspicious if you gave him a consensus. he would argue the opposite. if all your advisors think you should do x, and he would immediately say that sounds wrong to me, and he would tell you all the reasons why it was bad. often he would then come around and agree with the consensus, but he wanted to test it, he wanted to hear what the

bob, and he has kindly agreed to tell me everything i need to know about casting. i'm going to suit up and next, we're in the water. >> what any gentleman should do. golden gateas free lessons the second saturday of every month. we have equipment show up on the 9:30 on the second saturday of every month and we'll teach them to fly cast. >> ok. we are in the water. >> let me acquaint you with the fly rod. >> nice to meet you. >> this is the lower grip and the upper grip. this is a reel and a fly line. we are going to use the flex of this rod to fling away. exactly as you moved your hands. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i'm a natural. >> push both arms forward and snap the lower hand into your tummy. push forward. >> i did gave it a try and had great time but i might need some more practice. i met someone else with real fly casting skills. her name is donna and she is an international fly casting champion. >> i have competed in the casting ponds in golden gate park in san francisco. i have been to japan and norway for fly casting competition. i spend my weekends here at the club and at the casting pond. it's a great place to learn and have fun. on a season day

bob will continue to update us there. we'll look to see how things are shaping up to the golden gate bridge. the visibility is an issue here as well look, there's fog. back to you. >> you do that well. thank you, mike. 6:18. an unexpected knock at the door for law enforcement netting dozens of arrest in the east bay. officers searched for 550 suspects at their homes and workplaces. so the total arrest number could rise. >> there's about to be a show yn down between residents in campbell and people trying to ep up a nightclub. next week the proposal will get another look. the residents are not pleased. >>> that type of late night activity in downtown campbell is not what we want to be known for. >> property owner matt clemchuck said he's already invested $200 million into the proposal. >>> still ahead a live update on the police standoff we're following in san jose. also, china is looking to take another giant leap for mankind. >>> and we will take a look at the stock market and some of the g dogogf theear coming up ea in just a minute. >>> the santa rosa press democrat was sold by "the new y

bob, and he has kindly agreed to tell me everything i need to know about casting. i'm going to suit up and next, we're in the water. >> what any gentleman should do. golden gate angling has free

bob redell will talk about why that's the case. another issue for the roadways is on the golden gate bridge with a wet commute through the north bay slick roadways. watch the offramps. then we're also following the accident at 280 off of john daly boulevard. back to you guys. >> thank you very much. >> oakland citying leaders bracing for a conversation. the main target t port of oakland. bob redell is live in oakland. you've seen it before. >> we're at west oakland bart where occupy protesters are gathering for their trip down seventh street to the port of oakland for another attempt to shut it down. want to go o to our chopper. there's at least a couple of hundred of people out here. if you look to the north of the station from your point of view on seventh street you can see the buses are lined up. instead of marching, they're going to take buses to terminal 30 and 50. we expect them to board the bus at any moment. the occupy groups in the western united states will shut down ports up and down the coast and in hawaii. so it's not just the port of oakland. they're calling this an action against wall street on the water fron front

put bob gray and lisa foster on the list and send the address. >>reporter: they figured they weren't exactly gateing. unlike vince vaughn in wedding crasher. unlike the couple at the white house. they were technically invited. not just paris party. >> i was petting calls from agents. i was getting calls from actors. i was getting calls from just strangers that wanted to go out and have a good time and go to a party. >>reporter: bob has just gone up to the celebrity bubble and poked a few fingers in and it's interesting place to be. whose number was tonight well, when comedian sandler called he helped figure out the mystery. >> i'm the one that told adam that he had the wrong number and when i relayed what i had been doing and all the parties and fun i have been having with it he thought it was hysterical. >>reporter: turns out the guy sandler thought he was calling is not a household name. but he's a familiar face from many funny films. comic actor nick. that's him. bob gray celebrity done ganger. >> really? i they so many people in this country are obsessed with celebrity. i was too. and you kno

course bill gates being a technologist using the same draco nian patton and copyright laws to destroy the agriculture industry and to impoverished africans another name we're less than a charities bob geldof who stood in front of a bag of monsanto corn and said this to an asian from monsanto was a great act of charity for help even why. one child survived then the slavery of terminator seeds was unleashed onto the content another intellectual property patents instrument of agricultural terrorism monsanto is anyone doing anything to stop the terrorist monsanto in africa well you know the reality is for example in retreat retreat is reduced malaria mortality by eighty percent in the last decade and they've done it by basic public health they haven't done it through fancy medicines with fancy with these patents that are pretty draconian and yet this is the biggest breakthrough in malaria mortality in history and malaria is the number one killer in africa but you know max i think some of your viewers might be interested in just a little bit about why the horn of africa is so important you know we talk about the. choke point bob bowman deb this strategically critical horn of africa beca