how bob haldaman, as professor rotunda mentioned when he got up here, could review the tapes, listen to them. more than once he went through several of my conversations. he made notes on them. he got up and told the senate exactly the opposite of what those conversations said. i mean, that's hut sba h. he thought these people have to be awfully dumb. they'll never get this information, and i can get away with it this. it was extremely dangerous. i read a passage just the other day in nixon's memoir where he truly believed he was not going to be forced to turn over the tapes. he thought he could successfully win and would not be forced that issue. in fact, he -- interestingly, he writes on april 10th in his diary of 1973 before they had been revealed that he -- he has told haldaman, he thinks he should destroy everything but the national security information, so -- and then later after alex reveals them he remorses that they hadn't destroyed them. the reason he didn't destroy them, i think i have a more complete answer than alex does, is it got too late. there were multiple subpoenas