bob hale on the show last week says said there is going to be a cost for this. do we have any idea how big this cost is going to be or how are we going to pay for this cost? are programs going to be canceled to try to even this up somehow? >> this has always been a liability, eventually they're going to have to -- the government through its -- is going to have to work through and the industry will have to work it through. but there are other -- there are options that depend upon how many cost contracts are out there, it depends upon how well the investments are doing. it depends upon various other cost-cutting mechanisms that are put in place under contracts. remember, this is an overhead issue. so it still has to be worked out what the actual costs will be and i know the pentagon and each of the companies are trying to now try to figure that out. >> is this a cost that actually should be sort of directly in that fashion? shouldn't companies at the end of the day be responsible for covering their own pension expenses? there are those who argue that the companies