. >> bob herbert is with us. ben bernanke acknowledges that the job situation is far from normal. those are his words. americans are telling cnn that just under half live in a household where someone has lost a job or are worried that unemployment may hit them in the near future. bob, americans are simply afraid right now. what role does that play in holding back this recovery? >> i don't think fear holds back the recovery so much as the problem that we're talking about. and that is employment. not enough americans are working. what we're finding out is since the -- corporations in america are now producing as much as they did before the great recession hit. but they're doing it with 7 million fewer workers. corporations don't need as many workers as workers need jobs in this economy now. >> that's a trend that's been going on for years. >> yeah, but we need to have a conversation and figure out what our policies are going to be going forward because even if we have modest job growth and the economy recovers, which people seem to expect, a lot of americans are going to be facing w