bob herbert, what do you know?treet journal" led with stories saying that the economy is weakening and so a great deal more to be done than front. >> it is very hard that you end up in a position of economic forecaster in covering the election, because macro economic health is the driving factor in terms of the president's re-election prospects so we end nup a bizarre role of amateur role of trying to make the macro economic predictions, which if i were good at it, there is a lot of money to be made. >> and what is just as important is the narrative as the macro and micro trends are the narrative. >> and more important than that is the number of people still out of work or underemployed. >> my thanks to the panel. thanks for getting up. thanks for join g ing us today "up" and join us sunday morning at 8 clng when we talk israel with author peter biner. you can get more on the program at up.msnbc.com. and coming up is melissa harris-perry and what have you got? >> all that, all that. we will be talking about the 200

ronald reagan, george herbert walker bush, bob dole and mitt romney and john mccain. so republicans have i think come together more quickly. the one thing republicans have going for them that the democrats had going for them in 2008, there is more enthusiasm among republicans by about a 10 point margin over democrats right now. that's the reverse, almost the reverse of where it was four years ago when president obama won. >> woodruff: so david, what do you look for in the months to come. we talked about the economy. we talked about the level of enthusiasm. what do you-- dow look at everything. >> yeah, a couple things have to be decided by the candidates. as mark mentioned in the polls especially "the wall street journal" nbc poll, romney has a slight edge on who you can handle the economy but huge deficits on can relate to people like you on the personal stuff so does romney try to build that up. i guess he does but i guess he is not going to win a popularity contest, an elegance contest with barack obama. so what he has to do is say it's not about me, first of all i

herbert hoover. a majority of republicans voted including bob bennett. that was the end of bob bennett's career. when president obama was elected shortly thereafter and came up as his first legislative initiative to have a stimulus package suddenly the republican caucus was out. jim dean lind --demint was heard to say we're going to turn this into obama's waterloo. the senate republican leader -- the republican senate agenda is to defeat obama. this was three years and 11 months before the 2012 election. and nobody in the republican caucus except for olympia snowe, susan collins and arlen specter would talk to the democrats about the bill. i had been a child during the 1930 depression and i didn't want to see another depression. my father who was a russian immigrant in 1930 found -- make it hard -- we live in wichita and my father packed up the family and headed east to philadelphia where we had a sister in depressions. that is what families do. they move in with one another to survive. those were really tough times and i had been there and it was plain that the vote was going to be highly preca

a second term for george herbert walker bush. a first term for bob dole or john mccain. we need a discussion between one liberal and liberal-like. >> interesting you point out, some of these things such as the department of education and also perhaps eliminating the housing and urban development. that would appeal to his base. but here, given this opportunity, his campaign says, again, he was just out some ideas. nothing specific here. >> the idea of reaching out to independents, that's difficult to do. often what motivates and galvanize voters is beyond your control as a challenger. that is usually economic issues that has to do with what kind of job the current incumbent is doing. so romney needs to control what he can control. and right now what he can control is galvanizing his base. he can't worry about what galvanize voters that are going to be motivated by circumstances beyond his control. >> our first team points out in an interview with weekly standard earlier this year, romney said one of the things he found out in his short campaign against ted kennedy was tha

bush into a herbert hoover, and a majority of republicans voted for it including bob bennet, and that's the end of his career, but when president obama was legislated shortly thereafter and came up as his first legislative initiative to have a stimulus package, suddenly, the republican caucus was out for his scout. demanipulate, jim demint, senator from south carolina was heard to say we're going to turn this into obama's waterloo. mcconnell, the republican senate leader said, the republican senate agenda is to defeat obama. this was three years and 11 months before the 2012 election. nobody in the republican caucus except for olympia snowe, susan collins, and arlen specter would talk to the democrats about the bill. i had been a child during the 1930 depression, and i didn't want to see another depression. my father who was a russian immigrant in 1930 founded -- he called it in yiddish that's fair, hard way to make a living. we lived in wichita, and my father packed up the family and headed east to philadelphia where he had a sister. in depressions, that's what families do. they move i

bush into a moderate herbert hoover, and the majority of republicans voted for coming including bob benet, and it was the end of bob dennett's career. but when president obama was elected shortly thereafter as the first legislative initiative certainly the republican caucus, jim demint, the senator from south carolina was heard to say we are going to turn this into obama's waterloo. the republican leader said the republican senate agenda is to defeat obama. this was three years and 11 months before the 2012 election, and nobody in the republican caucus except for columbia snow, susan collins and arlen specter would talk to the democrats without the bill. i had been a child during a the 1930 depression, and i didn't want to see another depression. my father who was a russian immigrant in 1930 found that he called it yiddish -- we live in wichita, and my father packed up the family and headed east to philadelphia. in depressions that's what families do, they move in with one another, and those were tough times, and i had been there. it was plain the vote was going to be highly precarious an

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. >> bob: don't you think being president of harvard law review requires some substance in the silver spoon comes, do you remember when ann richard talked about herbertker bush saying he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. clearly referring to romney. >> dana: she said poor george bush, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth. that's why it was so funny and hi learous and one of the best i can still quote. the famous quote. president obama will never be in -- >> bob: he was referring to romney when he said that. >> dana: of course. that's the thing. he says he is -- i'm not doing class warfare and then he says something like that, of course he is talking about mitt romney. >> greg: if it's not working -- the class warfare rhetoric is not working, not helping him with men. if you look among women, married women move away from him. you still get single women. but married women are moving away. it's not working. speech writers, don't they have to come up with something new? >> kimberly: they recycle the same stuff. why what should they do with that? >> bob: if you are on an economy at best weak, what are you going to do? i think that what the

bob dole in 1996. he literally said to conservatives, i'll give you another reagan if that's what you want. tell me what you want. it looks like george herbert walker bush in 1992. gerald ford in 1976. what do all those elections have in common? all those guys lost. >> let me get your thoughts on this. here we are again, and i don't want to belabor her reaction because she gave the reaction she felt. she said she is a straight shooter in her heart. i think she put it out there and it was not as michael pointed out, a resounding endorsement of him. she said more strongly, anybody but obama, rather than this is our guy and here's why. >> yeah, well, look, i would point out, i would disagree a little bit with what steve said. that she might not any longer be the choice of conservatives. i think many people were hoping that chris christy or jeb bush, even haley barbour. she is losing her grip on the party and on that conservative part of the party. she's been trying to pull newt gingrich through this and saying rick santorum needs to keep fighting the good fight. so she is really stirring the pot more than anything. and really likes the attentio