amy: bob herbert, this question of hugh hewitt, the right-wing radio host, saying would you be willingkill hundreds of thousands of innocent children? interestingly, he said because that is what war is. bob: it should have been an to cnn to have a moderator asking that his start with. he should have been disqualified, just as most of the candidates should be disqualified from running for president. you make a good point. people do not understand what war is. war is a horrifying set of circumstances. most americans do not know what war is. they think it is like television or video game something. it's ra-ra, you root for the home team and go in and kick the ir butts and come home and wave the flag and declare victory. it is not like that. i cover all these american gis who came back from iraq and afghanistan paralyzed and without limbs and horribly problems,h mental posttraumatic stress. and then what happened to their families. that does not even begin to touch what happened to the folks in the countries, the folks who lived in iraq and afghanistan. do it just want to go and all over a

. >> joining me now is bob herbert, former "new york times" columnist and distinguished senior fellow at dmos. msnbc contributor victoria defrancesca, and matt welch, editor-in-chief of "reason" magazine. thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> great to be here. >> bob, trump to party leaders, you got to get used to it. do they? >> not necessarily. i mean, it's still trump is obviously way ahead in the polls of republican voters, but it's got to be tough for him to actually secure the nomination before the convention for two main reasons. one because there are so many candidates in the race, so the votes divided up among all the candidates and there's no indication that a bunch of them are going to drop out, and the second thing is the proportional voting in so many of these states, so that even if you win a primary in a certain state you don't get all the delegates from that state. so he may not have, you know, enough delegates going into the convention to have it wrapped up. >> matt, you're the editor-in-chief of "reason." we've been saying for six months he's going to fall,