also with us, bob hilliard who is representing the families of many of these victims. welcome all. so good to have you here. i appreciate it. bob, i will start with you. mary barra has said there will be more deaths linked to this ignition switch. what we know is that they have said, yes, there have been 16 deaths. now we're starting to see people believe there were possibly more. where do you put the number? >> i put it death, 5,000. i'll tell you why. you look at number of total deaths on u.s. highways and you add up the amount of years that these recalled vehicles have been on the road, you have a total of 500,000 deaths. gm and -- gerri: everything. >> then you have 26 million recalled cars. now, mary barra made it clear that 13 or 16 is not an exclusive number. she did not indicate, nor does mr. feinberg, that is the end of the arithmetic. the arithmetic is pretty simple because 5,000, believe it or not, is less than 1% of the total deaths in the united states over 10 years. gm put new drivers into millions of cars for decades. gerri: certainly they did but it is difficult to

bob hilliard, bob hilliard, a lawyer in detroit and in texas and other lawyers as well, ms. cabresa and her colleagues, mark landier in texas all said even on a presumptive award -- we don't have to take it, but presumptively -- it ought to be more than that. $1 million. and the $300,000 is much more than 9/11 in the average as well. now, you also asked -- oh, the second question about silence or a condition. no such condition imposed on families at all. yes, ma'am. cnn? >> yeah, poppy harlow with cnn again. in looking at what you have done in the past in terms of the bp oil spill and 9/11, they're different in that it was very clear who died as a result of the deepwater horizon rig explosion or who died as a result of 9/11. here can you talk to us about the process? i mean, are these victims and their families and their attorneys basically going to be holding court in front of you with you as is sole arbiter to decide? and also you talk about having to be expeditious in getting the money out. at the same time, in some of these cases there's a lot to pore through. how do you

bob hilliard, bob hilliard, a lawyer in detroit and in texas and other lawyers as well, ms. cabresa and her colleagues, mark landier in texas all said even on a presumptive award -- we don't have to take it, but presumptively -- it ought to be more than that. $1 million. and the $300,000 is much more than 9/11 in the average as well. now, you also asked -- oh, the second question about silence or a condition. no such condition imposed on families at all. yes, ma'am. cnn? >> yeah, poppy harlow with cnn again. in looking at what you have done in the past in terms of the bp oil spill and 9/11, they're different in that it was very clear who died as a result of the deepwater horizon rig explosion or who died as a result of 9/11. here can you talk to us about the process? i mean, are these victims and their families and their attorneys basically going to be holding court in front of you with you as is sole arbiter to decide? and also you talk about having to be expeditious in getting the money out. at the same time, in some of these cases there's a lot to pore through. how do you

texas lawyer and frequent guest on the program bob hilliard is suing general motors on behalf of 650 people injured or killed in crashes allegedly caused by the faulty ignition switches. all the crashes occurred after gm left bankruptcy. hilliard wants to file nearly 250 more case from before the bankruptcy. >>> and on hyundai, they are getting in on the recall craze. the korean automaker is recalling 883,000 of popular sonata sedans from 2011 to 2014. the automatic transmission shift cable can separate from the lever and might show the wrong gear. you think you're in park when you are actually in reverse. >>> switching gears from car to restaurant, where extreme eaters are packing in two days of calories into a single meal. we're bringing in the diet busters with nutritionist carrie gan. good to see you. >> good to see you. gerri: bottomless fries, monster drinks is it a surprise that the restaurants are serving big, big calories? >> absolutely not. unfortunately, years and years ago we didn't know the calories in the dishes because it wasn't listed. gerri: now it is. >> now it is.

joining me, bob hilliard, who represents many victims of the faulty ignition switch and jack myriad from kelley blue book. i have one question for both of you. when you look at the 400 million number, how do you think gm came up with that? and how can they come up with any number at all when we really don't even know how many victims there really are? i will start with you, bob. >> you're exactly right, gerri. there is absolutely know way -- no way they know the total death count and injury count. that's a number i think that is designed to send a message to ken feinberg who they are touting as being independent, and i believe he is. it's a number they simply grabbed out of thin air. the number of clients i will put into the fund, we've done the math, based on ken feinberg's, his, how much he will pay each one of then. i think this fund will be exhausted pretty quickly. gerri: well, feinberg said there is no limit obviously. maybe today's announcement is meant to guide him in some way. jack, i will turn to you. this $400 million figure doesn't even include the latest recalls, right? so,

i think the plaintiff's lawyers around the country, bob hilliard and lance cooper and elizabeth cabrese and others have been extremely cooperative. the center for auto safety, joan claybrook's group, very, very cooperative. so everybody's cooperated. i don't think, a, that anybody is perfectly satisfied with my plan. the perfect is the enemy of the good to me. and secondly, the fact i am being paid by gm is challenge. >> yeah. >> people look at that and understandably are sceptical. >> brown: right. >> the only way you get around this scepticism is get the money out. >> brown: i was going to say that, did hit you in b.p., for example, where you faced some criticism. >> between the eyes. the way we got around this, the way we got around this in b.p., you'll recall, in 16 months we paid out $6.5 billion and honored over half mailon claims. and the same thing here. until we actually get money flowing, and this is a voluntary program, nobody has to participate, until we get money out the door, that scepticism is sure to continue. >> brown: just to be clear, beyond your purview of what you'r

a list of the cabresa, bob hilliard and others, plaintiff lawyers, we have talked to the center for automotive safety, joan claybrook, clarence diploe - these are people we have been talking with over the last few months to try to get a better understanding on the key issue -- who is eligible to even file a claim? before you get to compensation, you have to be eligible. this is all part of the eligibility determination. you will see in the protocol that if the claimant files a claim and the claim is deficient, we will not deny that claim. we will work with the claimant to try to help a claimant get other information that will cure the deficiency and the laim eligible. so, that is sort of a summary discussed on the first few pages of the protocol. that is sort of a summary of the eligibility requirements. we will work with claimants in an effort to find claims eligible in meeting the proximate cause standard that the ignition switch caused the ccident. it is a real challenge because of the age of the claims, some of them, but we will work with claims and their lawyers, who have been very helpfu

i heene, we've talked to gm -- i mean, we've talked to gm, we've talked to plaintiff lawyers, bob hilliard lance cooper, elizabeth -- [inaudible] other plaintiff lawyers, we've talked to the center for automotive safety, joan claybrook, clarence diplow. these are people we've been talking with over the past few months to try and get a better understanding on the key issue who is eligible to even file a claim. before you get to compensation, you have to be eligible. and this is all part of the eligibility determination. now, you'll see in the protocol that if a claimant files a claim and the claim is deficient, we will not deny that claim. we will work with the claimant to try and help the claimant get other information that will cure the deficiency and make the claim eligible. that is sort of a summary, discussed on the first few pages of the protocol, that is sort of a summary of the eligibility requirements. and we will work with claimants in an effort to find claims eligible in meeting the proximate cause standard that the ignition switch caused the accident. it is a real challenge beca