bob joyce says okay, i'll do what i can, it writes an amazing series of messages across the atlantic to oss headquarters saying hey, it goes to donovan's office. it's kind of personal. goes to the assistant director of oss and joyce is saying let's get joyce in. if you guys get in touch with him, arrange a meeting face to face with him. you'll see all the things he can bring to the table for oss. he's got foreign language, he's got area knowledge. he knows about special operations. after all, he wrote "for whom the bell tolls." he was basically a special operator, an early special operator. and he's run this intelligence service for us in cuba. he can do great things for oss. he senses some kind of pushback. he senses the pushback, even before it occurs and he basically adds verbiage to the effect of so what if he's been married three times. so what if he's not deferential to people in high places. so what if he was acting on a loyalist, which is the communist supported side in the spanish civil war. it doesn't work. oss gives the -- they listen long enough and they think about it an

joyce. >> it was nasdaq's failure. this is arguably the worse performance by an exchange on an ipo, ever. >> which, bob, felt has acknowledgedn that big conference, spoke with you last night, and he was humbly embarrassed about what happened. >> and they are. >> changing the system for what they use for opening and closing ipos now. >> is as in nasdaq to blame for this turn? and lee believes the stock was doomed to begin with. and lee, you feel it was overpriced. and you know, no matter what happened with the technology, you wouldn't have bought this stock anyway, right? >> i don't think so. remember what was happening on friday. we had 12 down days out of the last 13. haven't seen that since october 1974. mark z and the funky bunch wants our millions of dollars but don't have an idea of how to make money off of mobile apps. but they want it flip it and rip it. it failed to get the stock higher, fundamentally. >> we should recognize that facebook raised $16 billion in a tough take. so, yeah, it was a flop. and i'm still getting e-mails from viewers tell meg that they still haven't gotten their confirmations. but you got to a

bob gates. >> rose: thank you for coming. it was good to see you. >> (laughs) >> rose: this book is dedicated-- as it ought to be-- to joyce. >> it sure is! 56 years married. amazing. long time. someone said that it's the first political memoir of the information age because i took four years and digitized so much of that archive. >> rose: and you can go on wur web site and see it. again, donald rumsfeld known and unknown, a memoir. back in a moment. stay with us. >> >> rose: fawaz gerges is here, he is the director of the middle east center at the london school of economics. he's spent his career studying the relationship between the united states and the arab world. in his new book he analyzes the fast-changing region and america's new place in it. it's called "obama and the middle east, the end of america's moment." i'm pleased to have him here back at this table. welcome. good to see you here since you moved to london. >> thank you for having me, charlie. i'm delighted. >> rose: why is this the end of america's moment? >> well, first of all it's the beginning of the end of america's dominance for a variety of reasons. because i think