we have bob katz us. bob has just turned 60 years old and he has lived with hiv for 30 years now. that is half your life? >> that's right. >> and how lucky you have been able to survive with this virus. we've been talking through the show, people thought it was a death sentence? >> that is true. >> how did you find out? >> it was in 1985. my doctor drew blood and test results got lost. so two weeks after he drew blood after i gotten out of the hospital i was recovering, he called me up and said. i have news for you. he, at the time, the thinking was that only 50% of people that were positive would develop aids. at the time i didn't believe that. >> so how do you think you managed to survive all this time? >> i wish i knew. >> there is in genetic blessing i have been given. >> have you went on medication immediately? >> i went on medication in 1991. it was azt who nobody was happy with. >> but now you lived through this and you lost a lot of friends? >> yes. >> that must have been terrible? >> i lost my partner. i've lost 60 friends, co-workers and neighbors. >> and what would you