i know bob mueller and i know ken starr and to paraphrase a famous expression, bob mueller is no ken arr. he's not holding press conferences with a cup of coffee every morning and you are going to get a much different conduct pattern from bob mueller then you had from ken starr. >> chris: one of the big issues that we touched on at the beginning is why daniels was paid that hush money. was it a campaign expenditure and i think it's fair to say that rudy giuliani was on both sides of that issue this week, take a look. >> it wasn't for the campaign. it was to save the marriage. imagine if that came out on october 15th 2016 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> chris: given the fact that this payment to stormy daniels was finalized 11 days before the election, isn't it hard to argue that this wasn't a campaign expenditure? >> i don't think it is. the law on this is pretty clear that if it's a purely personal matter, which this clearly has to be, it doesn't matter what its relationship was to the timetable in a campaign. let me just say as well to something he said, a

i know bob mueller and i know ken starr. to paraphrase a famous expression, bob mueller is no ken starr. is not holdingthis covetous wit the cup of coffee every morning. you will get a much gift different conduct from bob mueller. >>chris: one of the issues we touched on in the beginning is why stormy daniels was paid that hush money. was it a campaign expenditure? i think it's fair to say that rudy giuliani was on both sides of the issue this week. take a look. >> it wasn't for the campaign. it was to save their marriage, not so much there but their reputation. imagine if that came on october 15 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >>chris: given the fact this payment to stormy daniels was finalized 11 days before the election, isn't it hard to argue this wasn't a campaign expenditure? >> i don't think it is. in fact, the law is pretty clear. if it's a purely personal matter which this has to be, it doesn't matter what relationship is to the timetable of the campaign. a lawyer cannot waive the attorney-clie

son-in-law may know about paul manafort he's now telling potentially los angeles prosecutors or even bob mueller. >> ken, it is hard for folks who have other things to do to concentrate on exactly where the mueller investigation is right now, but i know you do this for a living, so tell us, where is the manafort investigation now? >> it's looking into obstruction of justice and collusion with the russians. we believe mueller's largely wrapped up his obstruction of justice. the collusion probe, though, is -- could very well be at its beginnings. we saw only this week we learned that new subpoenas were issued to a twitter social media consultant to roger stone who seemed very much in mueller's cross hairs. and the other thing we believe, ali, is robert mueller is sitting on explosive information. we saw that one treasury robert abo report about michael cohen, influence peddling seem. he's got all of donald trump's bank records. most experts believe he's got donald trump's tax returns. imagine what secrets are in there that we don't yet know about, ali. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much, great reporting

a i'm joined by a former federal prosecutor who worked directly about bob mueller at d.o.j. guy lewis and ken dilanian. it seems like a lot of people just happened to be at that inauguration. >> that's for sure, ari. at the mueller investigation, at its heart it's about improper influence. did the russians improperly influence the election campaign? now it seems to be looking at whether the russians, weather the united arab emirates, saudi arabia, was seeking to improperly influence the trump administration. how do you look at that? you look at the flow of money. now mueller is looking if people linked to foreign governments donated to his campaign. there are people who donated $250,000 to the inaugural. apparently that is now a subject of the mueller investigation. >> the flip side to be fair, guy, is it's not as if the inaugural fund is a personal spending machine of the trumps. it's not like they could take 10 or $26 million from there and just give it to their friends, right? >> that's right, ari. >> unless wait a minute, hold on, i have something right here. hold on. unless you count mel

. >> bob mueller facing a tough judge. >> ken, thank you very much. >>> brand new jobs numbers out this morning. unemployment, the unemployment rate continues to go down. wages aren't climbing at the rate you'd expect for such a low unemployment rate. people aren't making more money. they're not spending more money. what does this all ultimately mean for the economy? >> and remember, the economy and the stock market are two different things. and we're watching the nra convention going on in dallas. president trump set to speak there at 1:45 p.m. eastern. we'll bring that to you live. and this hour we'll talk more about the power of the nra. and just how common guns are in the united states. >>> a quick fact on just one type of assault weapon. americans own somewhere between 5 and 10 million ar 15s according to the national shooting sports foundation. in most states you can buy an ar-15 at the age of 18 before a handgun or a beer. you're watching "velshi and ruhle". tle presentation. hijacking earth's geothermal energy supply. phase 1. choosing the right drill bit. as long as evil villai

ken, if rudy giuliani is telling the truth and bob mueller's team said we cannot indict you, how significant this news for the president? >> well, it's significant, but not shocking. as you noteded, erin, this goes back to the nixon era. reaffirm nd the clinton administration, so republican and democrat administrations have come to this same legal conclusion, so it isn't related directly to this case. it's an acknowledgment by the mueller team that the previous assessments by the department of justice predecessors were correct. it was a constitutional issue and it really leaves us today right where a lot of people thought we started in terms of what their authority was with respect to the president specifically. >> also, norm -- >> can't tell michael flynn that. >> as dana pointed out, this has not been tested in court. right? there's an assumption. this has been a matter of legal debate. if they're admitting it, we wouldn't do that. it would appear to be significant. >> well, erin, it is consistent with doj policy. i think it's wrong as a matter of constitutional law and many institution st

him but have you heard anything from bob mueller which would indicate they want democrats to take the house of representatives? not at all. we were talking about the kene stark was on television once or twice a week. have you ever seen bob mueller or any of his people give interviews? i think the president is doing this to gin up his base, not to win over more voters but this time it is a reach too far because prosecutors don't get involved in electoral politics. when they do, if they do, they will undermine their own credibility. rob: a lot of concern about having an impact on the 2016 election by introducing an investigation. judge napolitano: i agree with you and in my view i agree with you that he said it and that his thinking was defective. hillary clinton should have been looked on if anybody else committed espionage, the failure of state secrets. whether it looked like he was going to win or not, when donald trump says why are they going after hillary clinton. the justice department that works for you that you could order to go after -- and >> what you think he is doing that. it drums up the base. i don't think it expands the base. lee would ar

bob lewis and kennedy lanian. thanks to both of you for being here. kencertain point it seems like a lot of people just happened to be at that inauguration. >> for sure, ari. one thing we know about the mueller investigation at its heart it's about improper influence. did the russians improperly influence the election campaign? now it's whether the russians or the united emrates was seeking to improperly influence the trump administration. how do you look at that? the flow of money. now apparently mueller is asking questions whether people linked to foreign governments donated to this inaugural fund. it's lilg for foreign governments to donate. we have no evidence that that happened. but the relative of vex vex donated $250,000 to the nallural. apparently that's a subject of mueller. >> the flip side, it's not as if the inaugural fund is a personal spending machine of the trumps. it's in the like they could take millions of dollars and just give it to their friend, right. >> that's right, ari. >> unless -- wait a minute. hold on. i have something right he

bob mueller. but he is the president of the united states. and so, needless to say, he has an obligation. >> kenright. pundits are too quick to go on television to say, he should absolutely not sit down. there's no such thing as a blanket rule. i don't care if it is medicine, operation, law, an interview, you have to look at the nuances of the political situation. so what ken starr was saying is, oh, he probably shouldn't go in to be interviewed, but people are too quick to say, oh, it's a perjury trap. that's why i want to look into it. this is what ken starr is looking at and would know if he was independent council. maybe to the end of the aspect of the investigation, they can interview him like they interview ed the others. that's something that the lawyers have to look at the nuances. and ken starr is right, he's president and it's different from the typical case. >> doug, what would you do? have the president come in, even as a former prosecutor, would this be setting up for a perjury trial? >> it could, but i don't think that is the intention that ken starr is trying to follow. if i could

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ken star publish the a report saying you can indict the president. will bob mueller have to follow d.o.j. regulations? yes. is it a law or constitutional rule? no. it's just a policy. we'll see what happens. some of the investigations might go to state supreme courts or state attorney generals. there are other alternatives. >> the investigation industrial complex. it just keeps on growing. uc hastings professor of law, rory little, he knows of which he speaks, those are his predictions. >> the predictions here will be breezy and brisk especially in the bay area heading for beta breakers. you are going to want a sweater today. outside right now temperatures are in the mid 50s for san jose. take a look at your current wind speeds. we are at 16 miles per hour at half moon bay, 18 miles per hour in san francisco right now, 21 in oakland. it's definitely breezy around the bay. it's windy at times as well. not so much the further north you travel, north bay is getting breaks in the clouds, more sunshine to start, and calm winds. that usually translates to cooler te

would there be other areas to pursue assuming that's the case, ken, where does that go? >> we have to see what bob reports to the deputy attorney general but it's going to ultimately be a decision by the deputy attorney general of the united states not robert mueller robert mueller reports to rod rosenstein whose a person of great integrity taken a lot of hits but a person of great integrity and rod will call it the way he sees it. neil: which in your gut would be what? >> i have no idea because i don't know a lot of the facts i really don't. it's a bit of a mystery that sort of unfolds each and every day so how do you assess all of this and i learned a long time ago as a lawyer then as a judge, don't jump to conclusions. neil: all right one quick conclusion that was out there, in fact still is in the back of a lot of people's minds if it gets a little hot the president is going to fire mueller, maybe fire rosenstein. what do you think of that, if that were to happen? >> i don't think it would be wise. first of all the investigation will go forward. i think in some form or another it may switch ov

(ken) seniors and people with disabilities frequently rely on a guardian to make their financial and health decisions. (pam) washington correspondent morgan wright reports, senator bob casey is leading an effort to find ways the federal government can help protect... the most vulnerable among us. seniors and people with disabilities frequently rely on a guardian to make their financial and health decisions. washington correspondent morgan wright reports senator bob casey is leading an effort to find ways the federal government can help protect the most vulnerable among us. senator bob casey of pennsylvania is concerned for seniors who can no longer make decisions on their own, and must rely on guardians. the process itself where the court makes the determination of who will be the guardian that process itself has to be much better in a lot of states.he wants states to have background checks for guardians and aggressive monitoring to ensure they're not ripping someone off, draining their life savings or creating other problems even a good guardian could become disengaged and not make good decisions over the resources of which they have decision making power. dr. shei

>> peter, at the same time, though, big difference is that ken starr's investigation dragged on for years. i think there was one indictment. boba year. we're up to close to 20 indictments, including some of the president's -- well, the president's top people in his campaign and the president's top people in his national security apparatus. >> yeah. starr did have several indictments including the sitting governor of arkansas at the time and others. the whitewater part of the investigation dragged on for years. it was very frustrating for the clinton white house. you hear echos of this when donald trump talks about how long this investigation has been going on. and you know, the difference is that i go through this thought exercise what if bill clinton called louis freeh, the fbi director to the white house that day and said i want you to investigate how ken starr had a spy in my circle. that would be linda tripp, let's say. and i want you to turn over to congress all of your interview notes from monica lewinsky. >> can i answer that question for you? >> yes, please. >> we republicans would have burned washington to the ground

with allegations this probe on the president, bob mueller probe has veered far and wide from its original intent. doesn't ken ken starr, investigation of bill clinton went far and wide of an investigation then. why he did that. the lessons he learned from that, that could apply today. special prosecutor from that era on to me, tomorrow to talk about this one. meantime the dow is down about 91 points. to trish regan to take you through the next busy hour. trish: indeed. i'm looking forward to that interview, neil is it on or is it off? secretary mattis and president trump indicating that the north korean summit may be back on. united states striking a deal with the chinese telecom company zte. i am trish regan, welcome, everyone to this edition of "the intelligence report." ♪ trish: president trim signaling today a summit with kim jong-un next month still might be possible after north korea says it is willing to sit down with the u.s. to

bob bachner/father: "there were tears. a lot of the adults that were watching were just taken aback by it. but no, it went over very well. everybody had a happy moment."(ken will be a junior next year. there will likely be other school dances in her future, but none likely as emotional as the one in her basement. so far no charges have been filed against the person who poured gasoline on the fire at the party. investigators say it appears to have been an accident. ( pam ) in sports... warriors- rockets ... game one is in the books...(ken) gary has the highlights... and reaction... coming up an ohio teacher says there was no question in her mind...when she learned of a student in need of a kidney...she was going to take action. that story next at 8. (ken) new at 8 ten-year-old eva and 4th-grade teacher tanya thomas started the school year as strangers. they had no idea a facebook post would bring them together in a remarkable way. (pam) that ten year old girl needed a life- saving kidney transplant... and it turns out, the ohio teacher was a perfect match. katie ferrell has the story. "we are moms first and teachers second and she has taken that expectatio

formative for bob mueller, if mueller thinks that the president crossed the line, what do you think that report would look like? >> well, you know, we have some good historical examples including ken starr's original report that sort of kicked off the impeachment proceedings against president clinton, that this is not necessarily that new information. we have known about these doj guidance from the nixon administration and the clinton administration before, and we have sort of every reason to believe from bob mueller's background and his, you know, almost 50-year career in the justice department that he wouldn't disobey or go against the standing doj guidance, that it is sort of the outcome for presidential level information was always going to be a report that gets turned over to the deputy attorney general that then in turn is supposed to be turned over to congress. >> and, garrett, though, the point -- these reports can be tough. and these reports can lead to things like impeachment, a pretty big deal. >> absolutely. yeah, and -- >> go ahead. >> yeah, and they can be incredibly detailed and that's probably a key way that the president hopes to move information out into the publ

bob mueller wants him to testify. >> what do you say? >> first thing, if it is true mueller decided you cannot indict the president, that's very newsworthy. both the prosecutor in watergate and kenved you could indeed indict the sitting president, and there are plenty of legal scholars that think you can. there's nothing in the constitution says you can't indict a president, no court ever ruled that. this is just a legal theory. completely unsettled. so the fact mueller has broken with predecessors that were contemplating this question is a big deal if what rudy is saying is true. strategy is he wants to defang the prosecutor. he is trying to say all he can do is write a report. he can't indict us, he can write a report. i think we have to hear from mueller on this, if he is 100% certain. that changes his whole strategy. if the white house knows they decided they can't indict the president, that will change decisions about how they relate to mueller. >> can i say one thing, and i'm not a lawyer, although i play one, right, but neither clinton nor nixon were forced to participate in a criminal proceeding. clinton was forced in a civil deposition and nixon was forced to produce th

bob mueller may not care about whether or not donald trump is removed. may care about fighting the facts and putting them out. >> stephanie, stephanie -- >> okay, jeff. >> one other thing to remember is ken starr took the position that they could indict a sitting president. and so you have a lawyer sitting in jail here. you have only a one-year investigation. whereas benghazi was four years. and hillary clinton testified under oath the clinton investigation was two or three years, 40 people in the nixon administration went to jail. that took more than one year. so this is just really early on in the investigation. >> and the one that lasted over a decade. >> is interfering with his ability to do global negotiations. >> what do they think trump has to do, he's busy? >> got to get up at 11:00. >> without a doubt, people think president trump has things to do. they can say they don't want to focus on this and they want to go thrive. if the president is making decisions because he's compromised, because he's indebted to russian oligarchs. then he's not going to make decisions -- >> you have seen what giuliani said about -- they all want him to wrap it up. because they want to know what they'

ken starr investigation, these things do not wrap up quickly, especially when they start escalating or widening for good cause. >> malcolm, what are many so is the unanswered questions that you think bob mueller would still need more information on whether it is the issue of obstruction of justice that giuliani would be referred to wrapped up by september 1st or on any of the other issues that david just outlined for us, among them collusion or some of the other financial questions. >> well, there are at least 50 questions that we know in general that the mueller camp wants answers to, and as we're finding out that there are new arms to this story coming out. now the relationship with qatar, united arab emirates and saudi arabia and possibly quite possibly eric prince, that's a new arm. i don't think he has a chance of answering any of those questions if he can't get to the president, but for most part it is not going to get us to september really. i think giuliani is playing a form of information warfare and political warfare where he is narrative framing for trump voters to say if this isn't done by september 1st, then they are playing politics with whatever it is that they are doin

ken you said constant churning but -- >> yes. neil: they have all been in agreement on petitioning the president not, urging the president not to speak to bobueller. i don't snow if that is the case anymore. i don't know where if shifting sands -- but what do you think of that? >> i don't think that is what is driving the churning. just like any good baseball manager you just keep changing the lineup until you get the team that can win the world series for you. and i think that's what this president is doing. we need to put to rest though, this whole notion? that the president can be subpoenaed in front of a grand jury. we know that from administrations and republicans, their office of legal counsel at their respective justice department have issued formal interpretations of the law which basically say that a president can not be indicted and, we should put that to rest. that is not going to happen. i think there is complete agreement. as it relates to whether or not he will testify before mueller, i think think there is leading and substantial evidence that the president will not do that. there are a lot of tricks can be played. if that pr

leveling of the playing field here well bob ken but let me challenge you here a little bit if you talk to the ukrainians or georgians many of them would tell you that their own revolutions were allowed by the law for their countries their concern for ed their hatred of corruption their very strong desire to see genuine democratic institutions they build in their countries and i think some of them are disappointed right now again of what makes armenia different from either ukraine or georgia well first of all i think it's important to note that armenia is not ukraine or georgia and that our experience is unique to certain extent. i think for first of all we're we're building on the success and the failures of past efforts to address the issues that you're talking about so in many ways we have a leg up on anything that's been tried in the past. and i think time will tell how successful will be but i'm very hopeful if i may follow up on that a little bit i know here believe as we all are as we all do that our countries are unique and i know that in your previous academic experience you yo