again while wallowing in the mountains of cash barack obama received, bob kerrey said they would forevers, ron? they do it equally, except democrats do it better than republicans, and now they're whining about the koch brothers. >> so we agree that both sides are hypocritical. we agree that it's un-american to call somebody un-american. [ laughter ] let's talk about the real issue here. is it un-american to -- or is it unethical, is it wrong, is it corrupting to have all this money in politics? >> yes. >> well, i don't know -- you know, i don't know. it's a subtle issue. the supreme court has said money is a free speech. it's a pretty settled issue. let's get to the problem. if the money will be there, i don't have as much problem with the money the fact that it's not transparent. i don't know who's buying which elections and for what reasons. i've started a move from the mccain-feingold campaign finance paradigm to maybe we should get to the idea of, okay, if you want to be the senator of tobacco, fine, as soon as you get the check, it immediately gets -- immediately gets posted on the