withdrawing from union negotiations and putting you on the spot here, do you think the union president bob krall needs to step aside to reach a labor deal that the city would be satisfied with? >> i've had and continue to have very intentional conversations with lieutenant kroll, and what i believe is the best pathway to move forward for the city, for this department and while i won't go into the details, i believe he knows that from my position these are very serious conversations and there will have to be some decisions made moving forward and so i will just say that i've been engaged in those conversations with him. i believe he clearly knows my position, and i will continue to have those conversations with him. >> susie? >> do you believe that bob kroll is willing to change and willing to be a part of the solution? >> i care deeply about this city, and i care deeply about the men and women that are sworn in and civilians of this department. we have to look into our hearts and what's in our best interests and so i hope that he will do the same. >> chief, you said you're not going to abandon t