amy: of what to bring into the conversation bob libal, director of t the austin-based civil and human rights group, grassroots leadership. suing the statete of texas whent tried to classify ice's family detention centers at child care -- as child care facilities. they won, but the detention centers continue t to operate nw without a license. his new article in the texas observer is headlined "it's time to decriminalize immigration," co-authored with judy greene. can you talk about what this case is all about and where these children are being put? >> thank you for having me. as franco said, this trades one crisis, one cruel policy with another. what we know it this point is that as these criminal prosecutions are proceeding and cases for these children and for these families continueues, that people will be lockcked up in these giant for-profit famamily detention camps. the two largest of which are in south texas. as franco said, the flores settlement says children cannot be detained in unlicensed detention centers for more -- in a prolonged manner. the court seseveral thatat means ab