once in 1976 and they were saved by bob lurie and once in 1992. the group that now owns the team, saved the team. you want to try to keep teams in their territories. >> wasn't part of the agreement in '92 sale that you would solidify your right to the south bay as well? >> well, we inherited those territorial rights, yes. >> but you went into that purchase with that understanding. >> right. >> oftentimes people think of things as a he said/she said. >> it's difficult and frustrating because the a's are so mum so often. it's difficult to get a reading for them so you have to reach for the back channels. a lot of friends of mine that are a's fans say, look, the giants wanted to build a stadium in the south bay. it didn't work out. why not let the a's do that? >> yeah. but in 18 years a loz has changed as well. and a lot of decisions were made based on those territorial rights that were in place, starting in 1992. >> as scott said, i am not a baseball guy. ping pong is -- >> call you a casual fan. >> i've been to several giants games. love the park.