thing that you're trying to achieve. >> all my liberal friends are good people and well intentioned, bob lutzuble is their model is just dead wrong. anyway, mr. lutz, as always, it's a great pleasure to see you. now, folks, no matter how much recovery we see in the economy, the number of people on food stamps continues to break all-time records. is this just the most blatant example of the government pushing dependency on the people, or is this just a naked vote buying effort? we're going to debate all that next. but first take a quick listen to what one republican senator thinks about all this. >> isn't it a better goal to help more americans find good-paying jobs, to have the pride and self-respect that comes from that? isn't this a superior form of compassion that has a more solid moral foundation? [ male announcer ] i've seen incredible things. otherworldly things. but there are some things i've never seen before. this ge jet engine can understand 5,000 data samples per second. which is good for business. because planes use less fuel, spend less time on the ground and more time in the air