i don't think bob mccullough presented it simultaneously in two ways. one, he was a neutral arbitter. and, two, he actually thinks they made the right decision and endorses it. i think the latter is certainly true and it's impossible to maintain both those postures at the same time. >> right. and that's a set of questions that i think we'll continue to face that presentation as we review it. our msnbc coverage. i want to thank chris hayes and chris melvin. our coverage of these events in ferguson does continue live right now. >>> we are looking right now here at midnight on the east coast. 11:00 p.m. local time ferguson. we are looking at these images as you can see. protesters have set some local businesses on fire. we have reports of a police car in flames in ferguson. reports of some looting and some gunfire. we have also seen peaceful protests throughout the night with, to be clear, many more peaceful protesters than people who have been bent on burning things down. just over two hours ago now where the local prosecuting attorney announced the grand

that doesn't happen very often. >> is bob mccullough a good prosecutor? does he reliably get indictments and get convictions? >> yes, he's a good prosecutor. yes, he's a very good prosecutor. he can get convictions. he can try cases. this is a different case, though, this was a police shooting. it was handled differently. even though lots of people want to say, including mr. mccullough, that the case was handled the same as any other case, why not be honest and say when there's a police shooting, it's handled differently than other shootings, because it was handled differently. >> thank you so much for your time. >>> all right, for the first time since michael brown's death we're hearing from the man who killed him. officer darren wilson speaks next. >>> at that time, can i shoot this guy, you know, legally, can i? and the question i answered myself was, i have to. if i don't, he will kill me if he gets to me. >> even though he's 35, 40 feet away? >> once he's coming that direction, if he hasn't stopped yet, when is he going to stop. >> we now have office

this is where actually the local leadership in missouri, governor nixon, bob mccullough have failed in this moment. what they did in terms of how the trial was playing itself out. the demand on the governor to put a special prosecutor left us with a ton of doubts. had the leadership stepped up and said we want to do it right. we want to put things on the table. we want to pursue justice like we pursue justice for everyone else. the community would have had a better sense that the fact that maybe justice might be on our side in this situation. yes, there's going to be people on all sides. in is why we have leaders. this is why we go to the poll and elect folks. >> until the end appeared we're going to release the information, you know, in darkness as if to cloud our or conceal what would happen. thank you so much for your time.

then she said "bob mccullough, i want to meet with him right now."o, she was screaming and sobbing the last time i spoke with her. she was also photographed outside of the police station, which is where she went after leaving the hotel room with me and was crying and sobbing there, too. >> so, your sense was that she had no prior knowledge of what this result would be? >> no, she had no prior knowledge of what this result would be. i think i can confirm that, because her reaction was one of complete shock. this was not just crying, sitting down. this was a mother jumping out of her chair, running through the hotel room and distraught. i don't think someone reacts like that if they have prior knowledge and i really believe she thought something might be different, because before she got that call, she was praying with her family members and said god will prevail, justice will prevail and i think she believed officer darren wilson would face charges, and instead, when she heard he did not, she was completely taken aback and completely distraught. >> wo

bob mccullough did the announcement at night. rasheed, let me bring you in. why, having worked with cities, police departments, why would that be beneficial, having that decision at 8:00 local time? >> it's not beneficial, obviously it isn't. and, you know, you have to scratch your head at sometimes when you look at the lawyers who get involved in these type of issues. are they truly consulting the rank and file, the law enforcement officers out there faced with these confrontations? obviously not. because he's somewhere in the rear with the gear, not having to deal with this. but i will say this, brooke. this incident has been going on since august. my challenge to the ferguson black community, leadership community and surrounding st. louis law enforcement community and citizens that are in positions of leadership, why don't we try to target 10, 15, 20 qualified black applicants and have them ready to go to the academy to change this. i have been saying this for months. you're lined up and prepping for these protests, the point of protests is change. so a pa

the family of michael brown and civil rights leaders in missouri have been very skeptical of bob mccullough for a long time. it's been a contentious relationship between mccullough and the black community, as i think many people know by now, his father was murdered. he's a crime victim. you know, practically since he was a child. he's someone who works very closely with the police, as most prosecutors do. and a lot of people were suspicious that he was interested in-- that he was never interested in bringing this case at all. >> rose: okay, talk about inside the grand jury, and what they looked at that might have led them to make the decision they did? >> one of the things that is, i think, unambiguitily good about the situation here is all the evidence is now out and all of us can look and see whether we-- whether-- about what we think about the evidence. and basically, what he did was he presented two incidents that took place in a very short period of time-- maybe as little as 90 seconds. there was a confrontation at the car between michael brown and officer wilson, and it does seem quit

last night bob mccullough made public three months of he said, thousands of panges of witness testimonyilson's account of the fatal shooting, he shot michael brown because according to wilson he feared for his life. the police officer described brown's face as looking like a demon during the confrontation. he said brown was so physically intimidating that wilson who is 6'4" who is 210 pound, wilson felt like a five-year-old holding onto to hulk hogan. he said this. >> like it was making him mad that i'm shooting him. after brown was shot dead, wilson told the grand jury this. >> back with me now, thanks for being with me. it interesting if you read wilson's testimony, the dynamic, the difference in physical strength that he seems to describe. josh marshall talks about if there's a strategy behind it this may be it. >> legally, it goes to two points, number one, what was this officer's apprehension and he's explaining why he was so afraid as to use force under state law, that is to say if you fear imminent bodily harm or death, the second goes to credibility. so the jurors had to listen

from bob mccullough's words they worked out that no indictment was going to be handed down and the shout went out, no indictment, no indictment. the police were standing in full riot gear and in the course of probably ten minutes or so a gation mask was thrown at police -- gas mask was thrown at police, bottle of water thrown at police but police held steadfast behind their lines. then somebody set off a fire work and that got people pretty excited. i'm not entirely sure what happened. i didn't smell any tear gas, we had an e-mail to say that's what it was, there was certainly a very, very loud explosion. i think you can see from our camera that the police appear to be positioning themselves to make some kind of maneuver. at the moment they are behind their barrier which is protecting the police headquarters, and the crowd is significantly smaller than it was at the time of the announcement because most people have marched off into ferguson and they are going down to pay their respects to michael brown at the memorial where he died. however i think i can say with reasonable confidence th

as of monday, the grand jury was still out and prosecutor bob mccullough expects a verdict by the endpeaceful. that's the type of violence and military-style police response governor nixon is expected today to denounce. he personal briefed president obama on this situation late last week. that was after the doj held a two-day training session with st. louis area police. as for michael brown's parents, well, they're currently at a u.n. committee meeting in geneva based on police brutality and racism. at ferguson city council meeting residents said little has been done in the past three months to ease racial tensions. community groups are offering nonviolent, civil disobedience training and a list of guidelines they want police and the prosecutor to follow. >> we also request bob mccullough share the date of the grand jury verdict. when the announcement is made, there's no amount of voices going to keep people from initially taking to the street. governor nixon should compel the prosecutor to cooperate. elected officials should compel chiefs of police to comply with sensible and proper

county prosz cue xx bob mccullough, a man who many people wanted to step aside.step aside. there was no special prosecutor apointed. he ended uptaking charge of this and presenting evidence to a grand jury. again, this is not a trial, we are not awaiting a verdict. we are awaiting an announcemented to a possible insdietment from a grand jury. and that grand jury has been highly anomalous. prosecutors can routinely charge themselves without going to a grand jury. if and when they do go to a grand jury, there's the old saying the prosecutor can indict a hand e ham sandwich. the standard is much lower than a trial. it's also the case that prosecutors can basically present their side of the case. they can present enough of the case to get probable cause and get an indictment. that is not what has played out here. what's played out here is a very strange and highly unusual process in which behind closed doors, meeting once or twice a week over the course of several pontds, prosecutor bob mccullough says he would prebt all evidence to the grand jury and would not add v

the county prosecutor who is handling this, bob mccullough, his news conference do we know where that is scheduled to take place, there in that office in ferguson itself, do we know? >> we don't know. and we, over the course of the weekend, actually last friday, a note was sent out saying that they don't have a time or a place for when -- whenever the decision comes out from the grand jury that they'll send out a note as to where it is, and when it is. we still don't know. what we do know is you know, behind me is the justice center where his office is and where the grand jury has been meeting over the course of the past three and a half months. it would make sense to be here but we have no confirmation on that tony. >> gotcha. and governor nixon, the state house is in jefferson city. do we know whether or not the governor has made a trip to either clayton or to ferguson? >> well, we know he's in st. louis metro area right now, his exact whereabouts unknown but he is on the ground here. clearly he is going to talk to the media, give a press conference and make some notes, upon whateve

disparaging to my mind bob mccullough. self-serving? i don't want to be -- >> it's more than self serving, let's put it in real terms for al sharpton. michael brown is his knew tuwanna brawly, he uses the sway, his relevance has been brought back. outside of the press conference, where is he? is he going to be in ferguson in a week, in six months? no. >> yeah, he'll move on. but the secret is a moral investment in the community. but you can't win when the leader is a hindrance to the policing. a civil rights leader should want to at least communicate with law and order, but he prevents communities from saving themselves by creating a conflict between law and order. as if cracking down on rioters and looters somehow decides rights to ri rights to rioter. >> there's a right to protest, but there's no a right to destroy my home and my business. >> does sharpton think that officer wilson shouldn't have stopped michael brown? because officer wilson stopped him because he suspected he was the one that robbed the convenience store and it was a

i think that hits the happened of bob mccullough.e was planning on having some kiep of planned rollout. after it was leaked by the fitz and by the justice department i think the hand was forced by eric holder and justice department with these leaks. if those leaks didn't happen he probably would have been able to do it in a more orderly fashion. >> many people were saying they hope it happened on monday. monday morning would be best. they could have daylight. they could release them from rioting. does the timing really matter? the riders are still going rioters are going to riot anyway. >> hindsight is 20/20. we had months to debate. the looting was on sunday night. i also heard the family was upset they weren't night fied the januaried inju grand jury m decision. he was forced by the feds. if they don't release that information and don't leak it to the "washington post" eszable to get his ducks in a row. the reason why it took so long is they weren't ready. they had a number of hours to have the national guard ready to get a stateme

louis prosecutor bob mccullough. police chief tom jackson was also a target. he tells msnbc news that officials warned him about the plot but was told it was under control. they made a large purchase of guns and also bombing material with the intent to use them in ferguson. the men wanted to acquire two more bombs but couldn't afford to do it until one girl's benefits card was replenished. >>> the parents of michael brown held an evening prayer in new york city with reverend al sharpton. and in ferguson, a much quieter night, police reporting only two arrests. they also say there were no officers injured or damage to police vehicles. but in los angeles, protesters blocked major roadways and set this car on fire. police arrested about 130 protesters. in oakland, this cvs store was among several that was vandalized. some protesters threw rocks at them. a simple yet powerful new cover of the new yorker magazine. it shows half the gateway arch in white and the other half in black to illustrate the racial tension surrounding michael brown's shooting. nbc's jennifer

again, they said all along they don't trust this grand jury processor bob mccullough. here we are with the decision looming. >> thank you very much, tre main lee. >>> american soldiers ambushed and attacked. a violent confrontation in turkey caught on camera. the attackers chanting go home, yankee. what's behind this attack in a country seen as friendly to the west. a live report ahead. plus this. >>> america, democracy. >> this hearing is closed. thank you all. >> as you heard, the hearing closed. outrage over a first in the nation tobacco ban forces a hearing to be halted and officials leave under police escort. the town, they want to ban tobacco through the city limits and as you see there, not everyone is happy about it. it is one of the things we thought you should know. >>> plus, we are seeing the first image taken from the surface of the comet that we talked so much about, but not everything apparently in the mission is going as planned. bill nye the science guy joins us next. you can join our conversation online if you have something to tell bill, you can do th

louis, bob mccullough, here is my suggest to you, 12 members of the grand jury as to what should occur. well he didn't give a suggestion. he didn't say, i think perhaps you should look at charging him or taking this -- or suggesting that it go to a criminal court. he gave no suggestion. what he did is he laid out all the evidence over the course of the past three months, essentially putting it in their lap to make the decision. if you look at that, that's not usually the way it works for a grand jury, tony. >> you know and the other point to make here is, this is a grand jury that's been looking at the possibility of indicting officer wilson on state charges. there is also a federal process that is playing out as well. >> exactly. exactly. i mean you know, darren wilson, right now, what we don't know is whether he's been taken into custody. because if he's -- if the grand jury's decision is to charge him, or suggest charges to the criminal court, then darren wilson is being taken right now by the contractua criminal coure speak. and sparse the federal investigation goes -- as far as th

this is about bob mccullough failing to be a prosecutor. it depends on two sides going at it and advocating. there was no advocate for mike brown. there was nobody cross examining darren wilson and the tiny bit of redness didn't correspond with the two full on punches that he said mike brown administered to him. there were so many gaps in this presentation of evidence, the grand jury didn't have enough to get to probable cause because the prosecution didn't give it to them. >> always fascinating to get your analysis. now our daily spike. social media has been so much inflamed by this turn of events. take a look at this. the hash tag ferguson has been used three million times since yesterday. this shows a heat map with the word exploding on twitter since right before the start of that news conference. you can see the spike. that's the moment when the decision was announced. also trending last night, pray for ferguson and ferguson decision. prosecutor robert mccullough spent part of the conference talking about media and social media for thei

there were reports that the family was tipped off before bob mccullough ever went to the microphone. is the prosecutor. who made the announcement. >> benjamin crump was quoted in different outlets already telling people that he knew the outcome. and so leslie mcfadden and the stepfather are out there in front of the police station. they probably already knew the decision. so when the decision came out, all of the sudden is he outraged. why are you outraged? you already knew the decision. >> you are assuming what's in a man's head just because there is passion about this issue i had enough. you don't know that you aa assuming what the words meant. they are interpreting them to be illegal. prosecutor look at this situation. they have to look at the in the context which they were spoken. >> hang on, stacy. you don't think you could get a prosecution? >> i don't think. no i don't think prosecutors have enough in the way the words were said and what was said and what was going on in the crowd to show that he was inciting people to violence. he was saying a stupid thing. >> mcgraw, say to

earlier on, bob mccullough said he would do this. and it seemed the judge would agree.ret. the evidence often never gets out of that grand jury room. and so he was trying to -- well, he said he was trying to make sure that everyone understood exactly what was going on every step along the way. so this is definitely a kind of turn and about face from what we heard earlier. >> i heard also from you earlier the word anxiously to describe how things are going there. still the case? >> anxious, concerned. but the longer this thing kind of drags out, the more concerned folks are becoming. again, on all sides, no one wants or necessarily expects violence. now that everyone's preparing for the worst case scenario, emotions are running high. now, yesterday, michael brown sr., the father of michael brown jr. went out to the apartments where his son was killed to try to heal some of those wounds still fresh in that community and trying to help them move forward. he was handing out turkeys and bags of food. i think we have some footage of that from yesterday. >> all right. can we t

the prosecutor bob mccullough. we had a grand jury that was handled in a way that no other grand jury in the history of this jurisdiction has ever been handled. we have a prosecutor that has given us some information, information that doesn't lead to a belief that things were done fairly. let me give you an example. you have a police officer going into a grand jury. and the issue of credibility is always if you're really trying to get to something, you try to find out about the credibility. when a police officer walks into a grand jury room, he's not vetted, it's the automatic understanding that he is telling the truth. i mean when i have voir dired witnesses or jurors, what i try to get to is whether or not they're going to believe a police officer over another person. well walking into a grand jury, the grand jurors are going to believe him. when you read the transcript from what he said, no one challenged any of the absurd illogical things that he said. so the people understand that. >> yes, i take your point on

. >> in august, bob mccullough responded to calls for him to step down from the michael brown case. he said the decision has to come from missouri gov. jay nixon. he made his comments during an interview on ktrs radio. >> we are going to proceed, as i laid out to people, until i am told, if i'm told by the governor that i can't and the most devastating thing that can happen is if the week from now or month from now he decides that he is taking me off this case. everybody is starting over. so stand up. man up. stand up and take, i have this authority, i'm not removing mccullough, i am removing mccullough, and let's get on with this. this family deserves nothing less than that. >> that is bob mccullough telling governor jay nixon to man up. jeff smith, can you talk about whom a call an comment on the nature of this grand jury? very unusual for them to be meaning for a month and hearing evidence that makes it seem like a trial. >> it is rare. llamas think they're deciding guilt or innocence as opposed to sibley deciding whether there is probable cause to indict. i agree, it is unusual.

i don't think bob mccullough presented it simultaneously in two ways. one, he was a neutral arbitter. and, two, he actually thinks they made the right decision and endorses it. i think the latter is certainly true and it's impossible to maintain both those postures at the same time. >> right. and that's a set of questions that i think we'll continue to face that presentation as we review it. our msnbc coverage. i want to thank chris hayes and chris melvin. our coverage of these events in ferguson does continue live right now. >>> we are looking right now here at midnight on the east coas

. >> and lead prosecutor bob mccullough is taking heat for how he handled the case. >> we get more from dan abrams. >> reporter: supporting the grand jury's decision. not saying that, saying he handed it off to the grand jury and they reviewed all of the evidence objectively. but the way he sounded in the press conference. sounded as if he was backing up the grand jury. supporting them in exactly what they decided and how they decided it. now we have this huge dump of information that they have now released to the public. very unusual to release all this grand jury material. so in theory the public can decide for themselves. and understand the prosecutor hopes, why some of the eyewitness testimony that we've heard so much about was contradicted by the physical evidence. >> a lot of people wondering with the violence on the streets this morning, t.j., and continuing through the night, where was the national guard? the fire fighters when the firs were breaking out? where were local police in containing the situation? >> the other part is how he handled the case and the legalities. but why

bob mccullough went to great lengths to make sure they had all the evidence.e grand jury that's unexpected, i will calmly review the documents as they're made public. i hope that's what everyone will do in this case. calmly take in the evidence that the prosecutor presented to the grand jury and that they ruminated on and calmly reflect on, on what they know. >> bob mccullough is the st. louis county prosecutor. there were several eyewitnesss who said that he was standing outside of the vehicle, he was standing outside of the car with his hands up when he was shot. so why would you be shocked if he were indicted, even for let's say involuntary manslaughter? >> i just don't think that the physical evidence as we've seen it repeatedly presented in the media and elsewhere is consistent with those statements. i mean, eyewitness statements can be flawed. that's why law enforcement doesn't depend exclusively on those. we depend on physical evidence in combination with witness statements to tell us somewhat actually happened. that's why it's so important that we not

there was an indictment of bob mccullough. there was an indictment of claire mccaskill, all political leadership. it's stunning to consider that the governor said, in a preemptive way, i'm going to bring in the national guard. well, where were they last night? >> right. >> where were they last night? this is an indictment of everybody who, they all knew this was coming. it wasn't like bob mccullough found out last week there was going to be an indictment. he knew from jump there was going to be an indictment. so did every other person in law enforcement. the fact that they allowed buildings to burn. the fact there were no national guard, even though there was a big use of the national guard before, there was no national guard in ferguson. how do you explain that? a building burned before, what did you not anticipate that another building could burn? it's just, it's just inexplicable and it's awful. >> it's, your video-point is understandable. but there's some context that's necessary. the national guard became a metaphor for b

in my opinion, prosecuting attorney bob mccullough removed that possibility from us. yes, we knew a decision was coming but we got less than 24 hours' notice. it was too late to do anything than what we could do ahead of time, such as prepare safe spaces and safe sanctiouaries. i blame him for the poor coordination last night. >> he wanted to wait until the schools were out and stores were closed. that was the argument he made last night, although a lot of us thought it was a mistake to release that information late into the evening, 8:00 p.m. in ferguson, already dark here. >> may i pose a question to you? >> yes. >> may i pose a question to you about that, wolf? >> sure. >> i can go with that argument but schools are out on saturday. schools are out all day. >> i didn't like that -- as soon as we reported at 1:30 p.m. that a decision had been reached, evan perez broke that story and then we were told it's probably not going to be made public until the evening. i immediately went on the air and i said i think that's a mistake. it's going to cause a lot of problems. y

and these top lawyers made a decision that bob mccullough should not be removed from this case.rs in this case, claire mccaskill in particular, said because bob mccullough is my friend, i don't think he should be removed from this case. i see no reason for it. i know how honest he is. these three people could have gotten together on day one and made the decision that it would be impossible for any attorney, any prosecution, to be fair and impartial when prosecuting a case of this size against their own police officers. i lay the responsibility of that. >> i have a new breakdown of what was said. we don't know what the grand jurors voted. we don't know the count. we're not going to know the count, but we now know what witnesses said mattered and why. i want to go over the bullet points with you. chris, start with you. more than 50% of the witness statements said that michael brown held his hands up when darren wilson shot him. 16 out of 29 such statements. and as we all know, the prosecutor keeps saying, he threw every witness in there that he could, even people they should have

a speculation so intense that bob mccullough wrote a letter yesterday saying any and all claims of an announcement, especially social meal e media are ranked social media and should be ignored. the people across the state and world are reporting that 61 felony suspects had been killed last year alone. add e at a u.n. panel saying their son was treated as "less than human." brown's parents pled for peace but said the protests will continue. >> we understand that our son is gone, but the movement will be that we're trying to make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else. that no one else has to feel how we feel. so, yes, if fro test will carry on. >> the brown family told msnbc that the police are getting ready for war and they should be getting ready for a trial. that, to me, says they already made their decision. police and activists are braszing for that decision. the guardian reported last movant that the st. louis county police have spend $130,000 among activists for officials to agree to rules of engagement, including 48 hours notice of the grand jury decision and safe zones.

bob mccullough's office has really been the only one that's done their job through this entire thing.nd i suspect it's going to remain that way. we can keep hearing the rumors and keep spreading the rumors. bob mccullough will tell us when he wants to announce it, whether they made the decision yesterday, whether they're going to meet again sunday or monday, just pure speculation. when bob mccullough wants us to know, he's going to tell us. >> this has been going on for months now, the unrest in ferguson. and it is unfortunate that the community is having to deal with all this for so long. we talked about the school canceling classes. the superintendent of the jennings school district, which does have parts in the ferguson area, had this to say, told this to a local newspaper, that people en masse were hanging out flyers encouraging students to be disruptive and encouraging them to think of police as pigs. that was disturbing, so they canceled class monday and tuesday. what are you hearing about this? >> reporter: look, this is an overall larger conversation about race that st. louis

. >> the washington post columnist argues that it not wilson who is the problem but bob mccullough is they are both a it problem. the district attorney did a poor job and that is clear from the record. i've been in a lot of cases. it was very problematic. i think he should be replaced. should step down. there needs to be a clean slate. 70% of people in ferguson are black. they have little power. 3 of the 53 police officers are black. and i think that we need to change ferguson to make it a viable, resorting community, take some changes in the 21st century. we're not there yet but have to be committed to making that happen. >> speaking of protests, not just in ferguson but across the country, we have waves of national protest that show great deal of frustration and distrust towards law enforcement can that trust be repaired. >> the answer is it can be repaired. i'm glad eric holder is stepping up and i hope loretta lynch his replacement will step up and say the same thing. has to happen here at local police department. but won't happen until people expect the fact that people may be po

louis prosecutor bob mccullough said a grand jury would come to a decision on whether to indict policerren wilson by mid november. we'll bring you that news conference live on msnbc. >>> coming up. app river of hot lava overtakes a home in hawaii. it's one of the stories we're following around the "newsnation." >>> here is a look what is happening today on veteran's day, november 11 president. the veteran i's day parade in n york city is underway. >>> secretary hagel is the first enlisted combat veteran to lead the department of defense. >>> and hundreds of thousands are expected for tonight's cancer for valor on the washington mall. performers include rihanna, bruce springsteen, carrie underwood, and metallica. . >>> just hours ago in china president obama opened two days of critical talks with chinese president. president obama telling the chinese leader, quote, when the u.s. and china are able to work together effectively, the whole world benefits. mr. obama also had a series of brief discussions today with russian president vladmir putin. releasing these photographs of the two lead

jay nixon, claire mccaskill and bob mccullough all made the determination that he would not be removed from the case despite the fact that he was not a fair or impartial prosecutor in the process. and people know that and understand it. >> can't thank you enough for being with us this morning. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> and our coverage is just beginning. we're going to head to the reaction from the president and attorney general. what legal options does the justice department have, if any. plus for the first time officer darren wilson in his own words. his testimony revealed in the grand jury documents overnight later this hour. but first, this moment from our live coverage late last night as a reminder of how dangerous the scene became in ferguson. >> we're hearing some more what sounds like gunfire nearby. that's gunfire. all right. just a hail of gunfire just now. yeah. we're being told to fall back. i'm going to throw to you in the studio. this is the equivalent of the sugar in one regular soda. and this is one soda a day over an average adult lifetime. but there's a bett

>> the only elected official that is doing their job is bob mccullough, and he has been clear. mid to late november. we're in now mid to late november. here's what we know. we know the grand jury meets on thursdays. we know that we think we know that they're done listening to the evidence. this thursday they're going to hear it and we know they mete meet on thursdays and only thursdays. >> governor jay nixon has declared a taf stjs. has called up the national guard. there is some sort of a swearing in of committee or a commission today. what's that all about? yesterday he held that phone conference to say that he declared a state of emergency? last week he had a news conference saying that the national guard was ready and willing and able. nothing has changed, but yesterday he decided to call this national guard state of emergency. what do you know? so this commission, i'm assuming, that it's some type of commission to look at the ongoing trouble in ferguson to sort of get a sense of how best to go about fixing the problems in north county. >> the grand jury meets on thursday.

they had a tough job, but bob mccullough stepped down because he has issues where he is not always on the right side. he's not taking an even approach to the situation. so we asked for him to step down in the process and asked for the governor to put him aside to have a spreshl prosecutor. they can feel like the system is working. we already don't trust it. we don't feel like the people and they're doing their job. we should have had a new prosecutor and the community already feels a lack of trust within our politicians and within our police system and the education system. it just continues on as like we were doing this peacefully and our voices and our lives don't matter. that's the hardest part to take. the young folks have been out here peacefully protesting and asking for justice. the community does not matter. >> what you were referring to is only three of the 12 grand jurors. only had to vote for a decision on this. let me ask you, what could happen now. given what the prosecutor did, given the way this grand jury was conducted, what should the leaders do to make you feel value

bob mccullough ran unopposed. he's the democrat. governor jay nixon, this is his last term. we had a county executive race with two people who never even came to the communities that they were asking to vote. so i know just voting for candidates, democrat or republican, no matter what you think you look like, because we have lacy clay who hasn't even spoken up on his first congressional district. so i don't think voting or just voting is the answer. i don't think ballot will protect me from tear gas and rubber bullets. >> let me ask you this. there have been a lot of signs and billboards coming up. i'd love to get your opinion on this group. they've raised several thousand dollars to get this billboard up in ferguson. the picture for everyone who is watching cnn is from the website of the same name. it's pants up - up -- #pantsupdon'tloot. the group behind it has ties to the pro-police organizations. have you seen this? your response to this billboard? >> yeah, heard about it. i heard it's on lindbergh. that's what we're dealing with. we're dealing with unchecked, you know,

bought the higher point as it relates to bob mccullough is, i was one of those who had been told by the community that he needed to recuse himself. and i certainly went on record suggesting that. not because he's a bad person. but because he has to closely work with police officers. so how do you tso how do you thd if you have to prosecute, and prosecute someone that you have to depend on every day? it just makes it a little challenging. >> martin luther king iii, it's good to have you on the program, thank you for speaking with us. >> thank you. >> cutting down on smog, the new plan for ep environmental protection agency, critics say it's now worth it. in a statement house speaker john boehner said the new standards would slash family budgets by more than $1500 a year, cut gdp and cost the economy millions of dollars. >>> winter storm that's hitting the northeast. 20 million people in its way. meteorologist rebecca stephenson is here with that. rebecca. >> so big a travel day and people want to get here and there and see family members for the holiday. we've seen a lot of travel plans,

prosecuting attorney bob mccullough and ron jackson, the police chief. they were allegedly buying what they believed was a pipe bomb. investigators say the men planned to buy more bombs when they got more money. >> a law enforcement officer says davis was part of the new black panther party and they say the claims are baseless and have no merit. the alleged plot was amateurish, at best, and it's unlikely the men had the ability to carry out the attacks. so far, they have only been indicted on federal weapons charges after allegedly buying weapons at a store outside st. louis. and authorities expect more charges to be filed against the duo relating to the alleged bombing plot. >> pam brown, thank you. let's get the latest about the situation in ferguson with cnn's sara sidner. what's the mood like? >> reporter: we saw on monday night this aerial view where there are lots of cars being sold and they were on fire. this is what it looks like now in the daylight as we're able to get to some of the areas that we were able to get to because the streets are bloc

>> jake, i don't know that that's that unusual and what bob mccullough's office tried to do in this caseanyone who believed they were a potential witness was going to be allowed to speak to that grand jury. this particular grand jury that heard this case was a seasoned grand jury. they were coming near the end of their term so they had the ability to weigh and examine how this case was presented to them because they had been sitting for almost four full months. so the grand jury was savvy enough to know whether this case was being treated differently and i'm assuming by their decision they did not. what's also important to understand is that the grand jurors in this case are able to ask any question that they want at any time of any witness, so there is a full capability for them to examine anything that they deemed to be pertinent. >> danielle, does officer wilson plan to try to reach out personally in any way to the brown family? >> at this point it's too early to tell, but at this point it would be inappropriate given the situation. >> jim, i want to ask you about some of the things t

lose county prosecutor bob mccullough blamed, among other things, social media. >> the most significantn this investigation has been the 24-hour nice cycle and its insatiable appetite to talk about anything, followed by the nonstop rumors on social media. >> the st. louis county police documented the unrest using twitter and you gave their perspective tweeting this. nick cannon tweeted, no need for gas, we already had tears. you scolded news outlets for ignoring peaceful outlets like this one at the u.s. supreme court. in a different kind of protest today, demands for an african-american boycott of black friday are circulating. as a statement against a perceived injustice. this woman tweeted, no one in my family will so much as fill their tank or buy a soda on blackout friday if i have anything to say about it. she's one of many who have made the phrase not one penny trend along with these hash tags. as we reflect on young black men becoming icon, you're sending hopeful tweets like this. we cannot let fear of one another be our defining american value. we should see ourselves reflected

we know so little of what's going on bob mccullough's office has not leaked anything.y have come from the federal. when eric holder says shut up, stop leaking. is he talking about his office and his administration. so i just try and keep it to the facts and we know enough to at least have somewhat of an intelligent conversation. >> okay. this anonymous crew that's out there now, driving the demonstrations, do you know anything about them. has that been a topic of discussion on radio program. >> protesters in large. nonviolent protesters, there are the agitators and there are the spectators. at any given time one is the other. what really upsets saint louisianaians these people are from out-of-town. who cares if your store is being looted does it matter that the person lives in california? it doesn't matter. all they are is coming into st. louis to do damage and to do destruction. we don't care where they are from. and what they call themselves. >> i wanted to pound out ferguson is suburb of st. louis so there is interconnection. bishop, you are a man of god and a compa