bob moses is there to assist clee jordan. bob moses is also at 25, the old man of sncc. at 25, he is the oldest person involved in sncc at that time. again, ordinary people. and young. very, very young ordinary people at that. okay. let's talk about what's going on here. larger context. sncc is founded, the civil rights demonstrations are sweeping across the south. one would imagine that there is a great deal of progress. unfortunately -- and there is. there is. no question that there are some places that are being successfully challenged. some segregationist institutions that are being successfully challenged. but there is also -- there are also places like albany, georgia, where the local sheriff outsmarted martin luther king in the civil rights demonstrations, or demonstrators, and as a result, they didn't get what they wanted. in other words, we talk about the successes, like birmingham. we also need to remember that there were failures. there were places where civil rights demonstrations simply didn't work. but i think there was something else going on. it's not jus