. >> except bob moses. neral, very vague. >> reporter: with the frisco p.d. detective on the stand, walker played bob's interviews with police. >> what did you do from the time you woke up? >> i mean, i probably took the dog for a walk. >> reporter: remember, bob said he'd been at home most of the day and into the evening. but on the stand, bob's housemates all said they couldn't vouch for him. >> do you ever remember seeing bob moses in the house? >> i would say no. i was rarely in the house. >> so, on january 13th, you don't remember -- >> i don't remember seeing him at all. >> reporter: the prosecutor said bob's whereabouts couldn't be confirmed until he appeared on that restaurant video at 7:00 pm. the texas ranger told the jury anna was killed an hour earlier. >> i knew she had left work, her office, around 5:00. >> reporter: he mapped out her final trip using videos from the security cameras on her route, including that video from a neighbor's camera right near anna's home. >> she was captured one more

tell me about bob moses. >> bob moses, brilliant guy. a visionary. when we were focused on taking care of freedom riders in jackson, which is when i first met bob moses, bob moses was involved in managing the campaigns of some of the local ministers who were running for congress. he was looking ahead to the potential for political status, solidifying some of the gains that we were trying to get to happen or to occur. his book is on that -- the algebra project. he and dave dennis worked together. i have high respect for bob moses. one of the things i respect about bob moses is that there were people involved in this movement who, in my opinion, were quite a bit centered around themselves and their significance. i think bob moses saw the larger picture. and i think his very low-key manner is to push the issues and the important things as opposed to pushing the individual. >> in '62, you reach the point because of reasons related to your deferment status, you will -- certain choices, very stark in front of you. can you talk about what they were and how

i have high respect for bob moses. one of the things i respect about him, there were people involved in this movement to in my opinion, they were quite a bit centered around themselves and their significance. i think that bob moses saw the larger picture. i think his very low key manner is to push the issues and the important things as opposed to pushing the individual. >> in 1962, you reached a point, where because of reasons we're latest to your fellow and status, you will have very stark choices in front of you. can you talk about what they were? >> after college, i had received a number of deferments and i got to the point i've been classified, i think it was one a, i had actually received when i was still right in the midst of working in jackson, i had received a notice that i had to report to fort jackson for induction into the army. >> i had been negligent to make the argument that i would object to military service on the basis of conscience, because that philosophy of nonviolence had convinced me that i was no

bob moses who is 30 years old and his wife and two little kids went to a summer bungalow when he said to me i fell in love with the great south bay and it was a putt putt motorboat. every morning and while he was doing that has attention came to be focused more on this barrier beach that was 5 miles across the bay part of it was called the strand part of it was called five island some of it jones beach. and they were so thick they could never get the boat close to shore and then he would get out on the beach. but when he was out it was the widest sand he had ever seen and it seemed to stretch forever and it was completely deserted except for some colonies and he said sometimes when he got out of jones beach there wasn't a single human being. and then he said i realized at that moment i was at the end of the world but i was less than 25 miles from times square new york city would have an amazing beach. then he told me that was crossing his mind and as a member of a reform organization and to remember this so clearly i can still see him out there on the deck reciting to me the intimatio

and what inspired me more than anything as a young man was to see what you and reverend lawson and bob mosesdiane nash and others did and he got that kind of all shocks, thank you very much and next time i saw him i had been elected to the united states senate and i told him john, i am here because of you and on inauguration day in 2008, 2009 he is one of the first people i greeted and hugged on that stand and i told him this is your day to. he was a good, kind and gentle man and he believed in us even when we don't believe in ourselves. it is fitting that the last time john and i shared a public forum was on zoom and i'm pretty sure neither he nor i set up the zoom call because we do not know how to work it. and as a virtual town hall with the gathering of young actors who had been helping to lead the summers demonstrations in the wake of george floyd's death and "after words" i spoke with john privately and he could not have been prouder to see this new generation of people standing up for freedom and equality in a new generation that was intent on voting and protecting the right to vote a

what inspired me more than anything was to see what you and lawson and bob moses and nash and othersand he got that kind of ah, shucks, thank you very much. next time i saw him i had been elected to the united states senate. and i told him, john, i'm here because of you. and on inauguration day 2009 he's one of the first people i greeted and hugged on that stand. and i told him, this is your day too. he was a good and kind and gentle man. and he believed in us, even when we don't believe in ourselves. and it's fitting that the last time john and i shared a public forum was on zoom. and i'm pretty sure neither he nor i set up the zoom call because we didn't know how to work it. as a virtual town hall with a gathering of young activists who had been helping to lead this summer's demonstrations in the wake of george floyd's death, and afterwards i spoke to john privately, and he could not have been prouder to see this new generation of activists standing up for freedom and equality, a new generation that was intent on voting and protecting the right to vote. in some cases a new generati

when we were there, bob moses had been in jail, and there was a man also in jail from the -- it was a him in segregated jail and they put him prisoners andite of course they told him he was involved with the civil rights so he was really badly beaten, he could hardly be recognized as a human being. we stayed with a family there in police, we and the picketed at the courthouse where they were trying to register and in militaryarched like they the street were meeting the enemy and i remember a gigantic meeting there and hattiesburg with hundreds and hundreds of people, so there was this stark comparison between this militarized opposition and a whoence and these people --e not afraid, a kind of that was very inspiring, they gave each other courage and they were not afraid. they had us in their homes, they were under threats of violence. that was the area where goodman and cheney were killed not long after that. peopleere hundreds of and you could feel that, you know, something was moving and shaking and turning in was not to be put back, in spite of the violent opposition that it faced.

she recruited bob moses into the commission. in fact, tam annie hall became very jealous of mosskowitz and moses and prockoush and -- prockour. they joked that's the bravenstam an a hall. they weren't irish, they were jewish. the interesting thing about him not speaking in the assembly, smith sat so far back and he was so intimidated and so lost that he went back to new york after his second term and told tom foley, the tam annie boss of his district, "i think i might be in over my head." he told him, "i might be able to find you a job, maybe suvent buildings in new york city, if you really can't hack it." that appealed to smith's ability to fight. he said i'm not going to admit i can't handle something. so he went back with a mission. he took all the bills every night and read them, every bill introduced, so he could understand the legislature. he didn't have a high school or college degree. he wasn't a lawyer. the assembly at the time was prominently the legal field. smith made sure that he could do that. also since he didn't h

and i remember, with bob moses at the freedom house on rose street, we were talking about it, and how he's just agonizing over, do we have the right to encourage students to come down for the summer, knowing that someone will be killed? >> oh. that's interesting, because that was a question throughout in the movement. joan: yeah. you know, we can tell them that someone's going to be, but they really won't understand. now, actually, i was almost killed to stop freedom summer on the road back from canton. >> talk about that. joan: canton had been completely off-limits to whites in the movement. it was such a rough town. and it was under curfew. the school year was over. freedom summer was looming. over at ed king's, we decided to take a carload of everyone white in the car to the mass meeting that night. it was ed's car, but we decided it would be better to let hamid kisselbash from pakistan drive, swarthy white. and the meeting was over before the curfew, so people could get home. we noticed we weren't being followed when we left campus and heading into canton. and we weren't being fol